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Choosing Between Republicans And Democrats Is Like Choosing Between Pharisees and Sadducees
Chuck Baldwin Live ^ | May 28, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/29/2003 9:45:56 AM PDT by xyggyx

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon May 28, 2003

When our Lord walked this earth, there were two major "parties" leading the Jewish people: the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Both of these groups posed major problems for Christ. Furthermore, though each group opposed the other, neither of them represented the truth. We have a very similar situation today in the United States with the two major political parties. In fact, the two major parties are eerily similar to those two problem-groups of Jesus' day.

Pharisees were the "conservatives" of their day. They believed in God and in personal morality. On the other hand, Sadducees were the "liberals" of their day. They were blatantly secular in philosophy and conduct. If they were yet with us today, Pharisees would doubtless feel right at home in the Republican Party, while Sadducees would fit right in with the Democratic Party.

While the Pharisees and Sadducees fiercely fought each other, they were both the enemies of Christ. When it came to supporting error and opposing truth, they were united. The same is true today with the Republican and Democratic parties.

Republicans and Democrats only argue about things that have to do with enriching each party's power and influence. On matters of substance, however, they are mostly united.

For example, neither party gives a flip about what the U.S. Constitution says. The only time they refer to it is when they seek an advantage over the other party. On the whole, elected public officials from both parties take their oath of office about as seriously as a lion takes the hissing of an opossum.

Beyond that, neither party believes in the principle of limited government. The size and scope of the federal government continues to skyrocket regardless of which party is in power. Republicans increase government by incurring debt; Democrats increase government by raising taxes. The result is the same: government gets bigger and bigger, while freedom gets smaller and smaller.

Furthermore, Pharisees and Sadducees alike supported Caesar. In fact, this was one of the central charges against Christ: He was seen as a rebel who refused to acknowledge the divine authority of Caesar. Because of this, Jesus was branded "unpatriotic." This ultimately led to His crucifixion. Conservatives today are doing the same thing.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that President Bush has been given divine authority to act outside the U.S. Constitution is branded as unpatriotic or worse. Several conservatives have even gone so far as to call G. W. Bush, "America's King." To them, Bush is Caesar, and America is an empire.

In the meantime, both parties continue to ignore or expunge the principles of truth and righteousness upon which our country was founded. Therefore, choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between Pharisees and Sadducees.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christ; democrat; politics; religion; republican
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To: xyggyx
PifflePoof!
41 posted on 05/29/2003 11:21:11 AM PDT by blackbart1
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To: 50sDad
And I still maintain that Judas was logically a Libertarian.

How was he logically a Libertarian? Libertarians believe in freedom of choice up to the point where it interferes with the life, liberty and freedom of another individual. Judas obviously had malice for Christ which resulted in Christ's loss life, which isn't a libertarian/Libertarian belief.

42 posted on 05/29/2003 11:21:43 AM PDT by xrp
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To: rcofdayton
Of course, the American people want socialism light.

Indeed, because the government schools have dumbed them down to the point where they no longer know what freedom really is.

43 posted on 05/29/2003 11:22:47 AM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Dead Corpse
How many votes do they need to remove that requirement for bringing things up for considerationon the floor? It was a simple rules change that the Dims did. Why aren't the Pubbies trying hard to get it switched back?

They don't have the votes of all Republican Senators to get the rules changed. Same as the tax cut. To get anything, they need every Republican minus 1 to line up behind it, or maybe every Republican minus 2 if Zell Miller crosses over. They don't have every Republican voting with the leadership on many issues.

44 posted on 05/29/2003 11:24:09 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: xyggyx
Republicans passed two tax cuts. Democrats passed tax increases. I can see how they get confused
45 posted on 05/29/2003 11:25:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: xyggyx
I think it would be better to pressure your Republican senators and congressmen to be more conservative.

¿Wasn't that the rationale used against Bush-41 that led to 8 years of Clinton?

46 posted on 05/29/2003 11:26:37 AM PDT by Consort
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To: xyggyx
There is much truth in the parallel you cite. Of course, it is a truth which has endlessly repeating parallels in the political world, throughout human history--regardless of the form of the political system involved.

The practical response for Conservatives is not to focus on political partisanship, except at election time. Rather to advocate the truth, support the truth and educate as many as we can to the truth. The more Americans who we can wake up to what has been happening to our heritage, over the past two generations or so, the more difficult it will be for the politicians to continue their "politics as usual," at the next election.

Of course, the battle is never ending. Eternal vigilence is now as always the price for liberty; just as personal integrity, in accepting what is true, rather than what one wishes might be true, is the price of moral rectitude.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

47 posted on 05/29/2003 11:33:51 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: RockyMtnMan
As long as you vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve what you get.

One or the other is going to be elected. That's the way is and will continue to be whether Dem or Pub or any other party, or all three. So, which one do you want? The greater or the lesser evil?

I'm going to start voting for the candidate that most closely represents my views. Whether or not they win is not important,...

Winning is the most important thing. How else can he implement the policies that caused you to vote for him if he doesn't win?

...just that I have the peace of mind that I did the right thing and not the popular thing.

Nope. If you vote for unelectable candidates or you don't vote for Republicans, or you don't vote at all.....and Democrats wind up in control, then peace of mind will be the last thing you ever get. You'll get more angrier than you are now. Besides, you'll pi$$ off the rest of us.

48 posted on 05/29/2003 11:47:24 AM PDT by Consort
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To: 50sDad
and became a neoconservative.

I hope you were already circumcised! ;-)

49 posted on 05/29/2003 11:50:00 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Consort
I'm sure that's exactly what our founders had in mind when forming our union. Unless we the people take a stand at some point we'll vote ourselves into precisely what we're trying to avoid, a new socialist state.
50 posted on 05/29/2003 11:59:54 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: xrp
Libertarians believe in freedom of choice up to the point where it interferes with the life, liberty and freedom of another individual.

Excellent. Then I never need fear that a Libertarian will give my children pot, or suggest to my daughters that killing an unborn infant is no big whup and they shouldn't give a moment's thought to stopping a beating heart! Good deal.

51 posted on 05/29/2003 12:08:05 PM PDT by 50sDad (Close the door! Are we cooling the entire neighborhood? And clean your room!)
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To: RockyMtnMan
I'm sure that's exactly what our founders had in mind when forming our union.

Every party has an opinion about what the founders had in mind. The party that gets elected gets to implement their version. Yes? No? If Bush makes an executive dicision that Conservatives don't like, then which party will most likely try to overturn it? Not the Democrats.

52 posted on 05/29/2003 12:15:59 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
Republicans have both legislative bodies and the presidency and have yet to pass any significant legislation. The tax cut is a joke and the new homeland security department is yet another new government program. When can we expect some real changes? I want tax reform not nickel and dime cuts, I want negative government growth instead of the continuous positive growth. When are we going to seal off the borders and kick out the freeloaders we have now? I'm going to give Bush a shot this run, but if I don't see a change then what’s the point?

Obviously the Dims would be far worse and would institute more programs and take away more freedoms. I just want another option, kinda like when I pick out a new car.

53 posted on 05/29/2003 12:29:24 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RockyMtnMan
Obviously the Dims would be far worse and would institute more programs and take away more freedoms.

You make my case and I appreciate it. You had me concerned there for a while.

I just want another option, kinda like when I pick out a new car.

Other options raise the cost of the car; they don't always work right, they can affect your insurance rates, they can be very expensive to repair, they might need to be recalled...............

54 posted on 05/29/2003 12:44:33 PM PDT by Consort
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To: 50sDad
Yeah you're right. A drug dealer would give them pot and a murder advocate would support abortion. I'm glad you're learning!
55 posted on 05/29/2003 12:46:47 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Consort
I'm just getting tired of the same ol crap and nothing ever changing for the better. Bush is as good as it gets for the moment but even he won't fundamentally change our system of government.
56 posted on 05/29/2003 12:48:38 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: RockyMtnMan
Yeah...he even signed TED KENNEDY'S Education bill! The Department of Education needs to be abolished and education needs to be handled on the local level.
57 posted on 05/29/2003 12:51:18 PM PDT by xrp
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To: RockyMtnMan
Republicans have both legislative bodies and the presidency and have yet to pass any significant legislation. The tax cut is a joke...

The tax cut is significant and there will be more of them if you don't help to mess it up for the rest of us.

...and the new homeland security department is yet another new government program.

I think it's a consolidation of many other existing agencies that had many duplicative functions which, hopefully, will be weeded out over time. Plus, the union control is now weakened. The Dems strongly opposed and that's why it's probably a good idea. Many other agencies need to be combined, as well. Over the long run, it might save us money.

I want negative government growth instead of the continuous positive growth.

Me too, but the Dems will speed it up the growth.

When are we going to seal off the borders and kick out the freeloaders we have now?It probably won't happen unless both parties make it happen. I'm not sure about the Republicans, but I'm sure that we can't count on the Democrats. The freeloaders will not be kicked out.

58 posted on 05/29/2003 1:00:39 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
350 billion out of 36 trillion over ten years is significant? Perhaps you don't understand the mathmatics involved here.

Like I said before, we need meaningful tax reform not tiny cuts here and there. That would benefit ALL of us including the dipshit Dims.

The only agency that actually folded into the Homeland Security Department was the INS. The rest exist as they always have and will continue until my death.

59 posted on 05/29/2003 2:14:15 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: E Rocc
If there is any truth in the analogy of the parties being modern day equivalents of pharisees and saduccees, then what will they do should God engineer the equivalent of a political Jesus Christ(albeit a new party or political movement, ect) to castigate both parties and to show the rest of us Americans a new way to run the country! History shows that upheavals arise when political forces are dead-locked, causing stagnation and economic malaise.(Christ was killed but what a glorious resurrection!)

I say a 3rd constitutional convention is needed. This will force a complete rewrite of the government and force the Liberals out from behind their facade of trying to over-throw the constitution in the name of the constitution. In a constitutional overhaul, all federal laws and statutues are up for grabs....all the old political games will be quashed, and no one will have the leverage of power(at least not at first. The ground will have shifted, alliances will have to be re-thought. And the cowardly, who voted in the past against their own consciences in the name of expediency, will have a chance to be real adults again!
60 posted on 05/29/2003 2:31:28 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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