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30 missiles discovered in Iraq Coalition finds launcher; some parts French-, German-made
NBC ^ | 27 May 2003

Posted on 05/27/2003 6:03:58 PM PDT by demlosers

May 27 — Defense Department officials have told NBC News that coalition troops have found more than 30 missiles in Iraq over the last few days, including some missiles and missile-launching components of French and German origin.

DEFENSE OFFICIALS said 33 Seersucker surface-to-surface missiles, along with two launchers, were found on the al-Faw peninsula in southern Iraq. No warheads were discovered. A Roland surface-to-air missile launcher was also found, with two missiles, near Mosul. A defense official told NBC News that the missiles were being examined to see how new they were. Some components of Roland missile systems are produced by Euromissile, based in Fontenay-aux-Roses, France. Euromissile is a consortium first established in August 1972 by Aerospatiale-Matra of France and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace of Germany.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alfawpeninsula; illegalweapons; iraq; iraqimissiles; missiles; seersucker
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1 posted on 05/27/2003 6:03:58 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Think the left will accept smoking missiles instead of a smoking gun? ;-)
2 posted on 05/27/2003 6:07:24 PM PDT by Tamzee (A half-truth is a whole lie .......Yiddish Proverb)
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To: demlosers
If true Busted!
3 posted on 05/27/2003 6:07:26 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Tamsey
Nah!
4 posted on 05/27/2003 6:08:13 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Tamsey; JohnHuang2; MadIvan; TonyInOhio; MeeknMing; itreei; jd792; Molly Pitcher; muggs; ...
ping
5 posted on 05/27/2003 6:13:03 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("An honest man with a gun is less a threat than a politician with a pen".)
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To: KevinDavis
"If true Busted!"
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Not so fast, there is no indication that these are "proscribed"
missiles. The limitation was on a greater range than a certain
number of miles (190 I think).



6 posted on 05/27/2003 6:17:08 PM PDT by konaice
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
just in time for the summit....
7 posted on 05/27/2003 6:19:59 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: konaice
The limit was in Kilometers, but it equates to 93 miles.
8 posted on 05/27/2003 6:27:50 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: konaice
If I recall correctly, you need to subtract about 100 miles from that range.
9 posted on 05/27/2003 6:28:12 PM PDT by Green
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To: demlosers
France and Germany, who'd a thunk it?
10 posted on 05/27/2003 6:30:21 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: demlosers
As predicted.
11 posted on 05/27/2003 6:31:09 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: konaice
The story here isn't the range; it's the foreign manufacturers. C'est La Guerre? Ja, das is richtig!
12 posted on 05/27/2003 6:33:25 PM PDT by yooper
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To: demlosers
I'm shocked -- truely shocked. </sarcasm>
13 posted on 05/27/2003 6:49:17 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: demlosers

C-201 / HY-2 / SY-1
CSS-N-2 / CSS-C-3 / SEERSUCKER

The C-201 is a mid-range ground-, air-, and ship-launched cruise missile developed on the basis of the HY-1, with the primary difference being a longer fuselage accomodating a correspondingly greater propellant capacity. Apart fromt the longer fuselage, the overall configuration of the C-201 missile is similar to the HY-1, with two delta wings and triform rudder and tail. C-201 anti-ship cruise missile variants include the SY-1A [Shang You] for ship launch and the land based HY-2.

The HY-2 [Hongying / Hai Ying] coast-to-ship defensive tactical missile weapon system -- with the Western designation "Seersucker" -- is employed at coastal fortifications, bases or islands to attack enemy surface ships. The system features long range coverage and a large firing sector (+/-85o, enabling one missile battalion to cover a blockaded ocean area of 14,000 square kilometers. After the missile is fired, ground guidance and control are not necessary, and the firing position can remain concealed.

The PLAN has three categories of frigates-Jiangwei-class, Jianghu III- and IV-class, and Jianghu I-class. All of these are armed either with surface-to-surface missiles (SSMs) YJ-1 (Eagle Strike) or Hy-2 (C-201).

The level flight altitude of the missile is low, and the system's anti-jam capabilities are effective against electronic countermeasures. The missile's large warhead can sink or severely damage a 3,000 ton class destroyer.

After 5 years of development the program achieved six hits in seven firings in 1970, when the missile passed final design testing. Based on the combat requirements of Navy forces, a series of modified designs of the HY-2 basic model were developed and produced.

The HY-2 missile is also the basis for modified test aircraft and target missiles with various functions.

During the Iran-Iraq War, one of China's most controversial arms transfers involved the HY-2 antiship missile, commonly [and improperly] referred to in the media as the "Silkworm." The first of several HY-2 shipments was delivered in the summer of 1986, and in October 1987 an American-owned tanker under the Liberian flag and a Kuwaiti tanker under the US flag, the Sea Isle City, were hit by Iranian HY-2 missiles. China respomded to American complaints by claiming that the weapons had been supplied by North Korea. Although in March 1988 China stated that it would not sell antiship cruise missiles to Iran, HY-2 transfers reportedly continued through 1989. In early 1988 Iran claimed the capacity to manufacture HY-2s and other antiship cruise missiles indigenously. It is currently estimated that Iran has about 100 HY-2 missiles on eight to ten mobile missile launchers deployed on the north side of the Straits of Hormuz.


Specifications

Contractor CHETA - China Hai Yang [Sea Eagle] Electro-Mechanical Technology - CASC 3rd Academy
Entered Service
Total length 7.36 m
Diameter 0.76 m
Wingspan 2.4 m
Weight 2988 kg
Warhead Weight
Propulsion one liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Maximum Speed
Maximum effective range 95-100km
Guidance mode autocontrol + homing
Single-shot hit probability > 70%


14 posted on 05/27/2003 6:54:31 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: demlosers
It was a Seersucker missle that came low across the water and hit a pier and shopping mall early in the war. It was fired from the al-Faw peninsula. I'm having trouble remembering the name of the town that got hit.
15 posted on 05/27/2003 6:57:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: demlosers
Lets see here....... We have.......

French surface to surface missiles,
French surface to air missiles,
French AAA weapons
French anti-tank missiles and,
French Passports for Iraqi Officials

Methinks France is our enemy, or at least double talking backstabbing opprotunist who can never be trusted

16 posted on 05/27/2003 7:17:03 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("4" more in "04")
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I'm going to make a vanity post here, if there ever was one... LOL

After reading these excerpts from the article:

Friday, Harrington’s team hauled equipment aboard two Black Hawk helicopters and flew for 2½ hours across western Iraq to a suspected storage facility 250 miles from Baghdad.

An undated satellite image of the site showed seven buildings along the edge of an abandoned stone quarry called Rutbah, which U.N. inspectors had visited.

When Harrington’s team arrived, they found only three structures on the dusty property, including a shed and a small shack.

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After only 30 minutes at Rutbah, Harrington deemed it a “dry hole.”


Here's the vanity part:

I have to wonder if they really know how to conduct a site inspection when searching for things that don't want to be found. (If they have 20 people looking for 30 minutes, that's one thing... but if their "team" is only 4-5 people....)

I have conducted site inspections for years, which involved searching for chemical contamination of soil and groundwater; misuse of chemicals (improper storage, disposal, or personnel exposure); historical use of properties; etc. And I can say from firsthand experience, that 30 minutes is NOT enough time to conduct a thorough site inspection, even on BARE LAND. Our inspections even included a magnetometer scan of the properties to search for buried chemical drums, underground tanks, and garbage dump sites.

So unless this "team" of inspectors has 10 or more people, I can't imagine how they can confidently say there is "nothing to see here" after only being at the site for 30 minutes. I hope this article is only telling one-tenth of the real story. But I do fear that inexperience at conducting site inspections may be missing things here and there.

As an example, early in my career, I was training a new employee on conducting site inspections. The new hire was a Chemist. At a particular site, I commented that the adjacent property was obviously made of fill material (non-native soil brought in from elsewhere to fill a low spot). The trainee asked me "How do you know?" Something that was obvious to me, based on my background and experience, would have gone completely unnoticed by this employee. And it hadn't occurred to me to "train" him on recognizing fill dirt, because it seemed so basic as to not need explanation.

My point is, these inspectors, at this particular site... having spent 30 minutes onsite (according to the article) decided it was a dead end. I would like to know if they used GPR to look underground, or if they knew to look for fill dirt, or if they knew to look at the concrete slabs where buildings used to be, or if they knew to look for sunken grades or discolored soil or dead vegetation, or if they took any air/soil/water samples, etc...

And I'm not just complaining for the sake of it...

TAKE ME !! I VOLUNTEER !!! I'd love to go to Iraq and help with these site inspections. Anyone who is listening/reading this that knows how to get me hired -- I'm all yours!! Turn me loose and I'll find the stuff!!! (My bosses said I had a nose for contamination... I always found it when others couldn't see it if it bit them in the nose. [Blix]) .... Like I said... a vanity post. ;-)

18 posted on 05/27/2003 7:20:17 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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