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To: Lessismore; SamAdams76
I went to a farewell party on Friday for an Indian guy who came to work in America 4 years ago.  I hired him and he was definitely one of the best hires I ever made.  Well, that company is a shadow of itself and we went our separate ways.

Now his software company is outsourcing its development to India.  He would like to stay, and I would like someone with his skills to stay here as well.  None-the-less, he and his family are on their way back to Bombay next month where he'll work for the outsourcing company.

An ironic twist I suppose but the trend worries me overall.

After spending countless hours in the science library and computer lab (mostly with foreign students incidentally) to get my Engineering degree in the 80's, I always encouraged US born high school kids to challenge themselves and study engineering and math.  Now, the payoff for all that work seems to be lower and lower and I can understand if kids are discouraged from pursuing an engineering major.

When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

7 posted on 05/26/2003 4:04:32 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
My company is outsourcing some DP areas to India. They pay to bring a bunch of Indians here to America for training. After they have been here for a while, they won't to go back to India.

The get a H1B visa, train here, then quit, so they don't have to go back.

How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm, after they've seen Paree.

11 posted on 05/26/2003 4:10:06 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (He has brought down rulers from their thrones but has lifted up the humble.)
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To: Incorrigible
I'm scheduled to speak at a graduation ceremony of control system engineers this week. I'm not sure what to tell them, given the automation/control industries current slump.
12 posted on 05/26/2003 4:10:07 PM PDT by bribriagain
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To: Incorrigible
Do you have a clue what the job market will be in 4 years? What I'm asking, what should this years high school grads be majoring in for future job potential?
20 posted on 05/26/2003 4:18:34 PM PDT by lonestar (Don't mess with Texans)
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To: Incorrigible
Re your post #7.

I know great kids who have graduated from college over a year ago with engineering degrees (Virginia Tech) and have yet to find a job. Talked to a friend of mine whose daughter just graduated with a teaching degree -- hasn't found work. The smaller communities where her daughter would like to teach, cannot afford more teachers. One person out of that graduating class has found a job so far. Many of these kids are continuing their education simply because there are no jobs.

29 posted on 05/26/2003 4:25:53 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Incorrigible
Now his software company is outsourcing its development to India. He would like to stay, and I would like someone with his skills to stay here as well. None-the-less, he and his family are on their way back to Bombay next month where he'll work for the outsourcing company.

Here's the kicker, at least the guy you refer to has the option to go back to his home country, where he'll pick up a job probably making more (by local standards) than if he just stayed in India. For the U.S. born tech, no such option exists. If tech jobs dry up in this country, his options are limited.

Another thing I heard (maybe someone else knows more) is that in India, higher education is subsudized and people are generously rewarded for going into the technical fields.

50 posted on 05/26/2003 4:39:28 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Incorrigible
When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

Watch how fast the congress critters scramble to head that one off. They will move when it's their livelihood on the line.

54 posted on 05/26/2003 4:43:51 PM PDT by Marauder (I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.)
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To: Incorrigible
When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

Boy, I'd go for that!! Trained lawyers that won't charge 50% in fees. And when they become really experienced, they can go back to their own country and mess up the legal system there, too. Then we'd be able to compete again!!

<<< pulling on flame-retarding suit >>>

67 posted on 05/26/2003 4:53:55 PM PDT by CedarDave (The number of Saddam (non)sightings is rapidly approaching those of Elvis!)
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To: Incorrigible
When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

I wanna know when will the trend to outsource CEO's start.

85 posted on 05/26/2003 5:14:28 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Incorrigible
How about outsourcing corporate management?
115 posted on 05/26/2003 5:47:54 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Incorrigible
It's coming! An Indian-American lawyer I know is negotiating a joint venture with a law firm in India to handle much of the grunt work that associates and paralegals would do here (you can scan and and e-mail just about anything).

I seem to recall he said that lawyers in India make $4,000 a year.
130 posted on 05/26/2003 6:00:53 PM PDT by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: Incorrigible
When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

Never, since Congress is brimming with them.


BUMP

474 posted on 05/27/2003 3:43:08 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: Incorrigible
When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

Good idea … let’s also outsource politicians, teachers, bank managers, CEOs, college professors, etc. Knowing that their jobs are safe from foreign competition, these are the people who support increases in the H1-B program.

It's bad when they download tech workers; it's bad when they send tech work overseas; it's appalling that the tech workers cannot even go to India to apply for their job.

482 posted on 05/27/2003 4:09:17 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Incorrigible
When will the trend to outsource lawyers start?

That is a very scary thought. You think things are bad enough now, then brace yourself for. . . more lawsuits!

578 posted on 05/27/2003 1:22:52 PM PDT by huskyboy (Introibo ad altare Dei; non ad altare hominis!)
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