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Judeo-Christian-Islamic Values?-Islamists say America should honor its Muslim "forebears."
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | May 23, 2003 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 05/23/2003 5:39:17 AM PDT by SJackson

You may not have been aware of it until now, but you’re living in the land of Judeo-Christian-Islamic values. That unwieldy phrase is being bandied about by Muslim advocacy groups including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council. Agha Saeed of the American Muslim Alliance recommends that this phrase trip off tongues “in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places.”

Forgive me if I am somewhat hesitant to jump on this bandwagon. For one thing, the phrase “Judeo-Christian values” has real historical content. Like it or not, the American republic was founded upon values that were derived ultimately from the heritage of the Old and New Testaments. Most of the Founding Fathers were Christians; Jews have participated in American politics in important ways since the Revolutionary War.

Would there have been Muslim Founding Fathers and Muslim political figures throughout American history if there had been a significant Muslim population here at that time? Perhaps. But the phrase “Judeo-Christian values” refers to a specific set of things that are valued. Agha Saeed would have us accept on faith that Islam values essentially the same things, but there is abundant evidence to the contrary — and I am not referring to the depredations of terrorists. I am talking about classic Islamic law: the Sharia.

In principal contrast to the Sharia is a Judeo-Christian value that may seem paradoxical at first glance: secularism. The Bill of Rights forbids the establishment of a religion or any prohibition of “the free exercise thereof.” Contrary to fashionable myth, this provision wasn’t hammered out by unbelievers to give them freedom from believers. Establishing no religion meant that all were free to practice their own. Even Enlightenment thinkers such as Locke who laid the groundwork for secular government worked within a profoundly Christian cultural and intellectual context. In America, Protestants, Catholics, and Jews were able to turn away from their histories of warfare and mistrust and fashion a working polity from the values they shared in common — from Biblical and traditional teachings about the equality of dignity of all people before God.

Where secularism exists in Muslim countries, it was imported from the West; it didn’t emerge from any understanding of the Qur’an or Muslim tradition. Many Muslims, particularly radicals, regard it as illegitimate: Islam provides a model for the ordering of society; why import one from unbelievers? According to Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi (1903-1979), an influential Muslim scholar, commentator on the Qur’an, and founder of the Jamaat-e-Islami (Party of Islam), a powerful force in contemporary Pakistani politics, “the purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme.”

He didn’t envision this as a program for Pakistan alone. “Islam requires the earth — not just a portion, but the whole planet — not because the sovereignty over the earth should be wrested from one Nation or several Nations and vested in one particular Nation, but because the entire mankind should benefit from the ideology and welfare programme or what would be truer to say from ‘Islam’ which is the programme of well-being for all humanity.”

Maududi was no eccentric. This is not only the guiding principles of celebrated twentieth-century radicals such as the Ayatollah Khomeini, Sayyid Qutb, Hasan al-Banna, and Abdullah Azzam; it’s also an established view in the Islamic world. It powers Sharia states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, wields immense influence over public policy in Pakistan, Egypt, and elsewhere, and motivates exemplary democrats like Hamas, which spells out its differences with the PLO in its Charter: “Secular thought is diametrically opposed to religious thought. . . . Therefore, in spite of our appreciation for the PLO and its possible transformation in the future, and despite the fact that we do not denigrate its role in the Arab-Israeli conflict, we cannot substitute it for the Islamic nature of Palestine by adopting secular thought. For the Islamic nature of Palestine is part of our religion, and anyone who neglects his religion is bound to lose.”

Can non-Muslims live in this Islamic state? Most certainly. “Islamic ‘Jihad,’” Maududi explains with a tolerance that would impress Karen Armstrong, “does not seek to interfere with the faith, ideology, rituals of worship or social customs of the people. It allows them perfect freedom of religious belief and permits them to act according to their creed.”

There’s just one catch: “However,” Maududi continues, “Islamic ‘Jihad’ does not recognize their right to administer State affairs according to a system which, in the view of Islam, is evil.” Likewise Sayyid Qutb. Muslims, says the father of modern Islamic radicalism, must not only preach, but also “strike hard at all those political powers which force people to bow before them and which rule over them, unmindful of the commandments of God, and which prevent people from listening to the preaching and accepting the belief if they wish to do so. After annihilating the tyrannical force, whether it be in a political or a racial form, or in the form of class distinctions within the same race, Islam establishes a new social, economic and political system, in which the concept of the freedom of man is applied in practice.”

“The freedom of man.” Gee, that does sound like a Judeo-Christian value — until you realize that he’s talking about stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, polygamy, concubinage, the subjugation of women, and all the other stipulations of the Sharia, all of which he stoutly defended in his voluminous writings. Like Maududi, Qutb insisted on Islamic tolerance: the freedom of non-Muslims to practice their religions in an Islamic state. But his vision isn’t quite compatible with Western secularism either. Jihad, he explains, “should leave every individual free to accept or reject [Islam], and if someone wants to accept it, it should not prevent him or fight against him. If someone does this [rejects Islam], then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until either he is killed or until he declares his submission.” Freedom for Qutb meant freedom to obey the Sharia, a freedom enforced by the power of the state. In any case, all this may or may not constitute freedom, but it sure doesn’t have anything to do with Judeo-Christian values.

In light of all this, it’s not so surprising that CAIR’s board chairman, Omar Ahmed, would have said in 1998 that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.” This statement has received renewed publicity lately, resulting in hot denials from CAIR that Ahmed ever said anything like this. Maybe he didn’t. But it’s really no more than a paraphrase of the teachings of Maududi, Qutb, and other radical Muslims, so that that there are many Muslims in the United States today whose beliefs are exactly summed up by this statement. Maududi and Qutb are respected voices whose writings are freely available to American Muslims from numerous online bookstores. Many of them are freshly published in new English translations that are fitted out with prefaces glowing with praise for the great men who wrote them and the enduring relevance of their ideas.

Are we to believe that no American Muslim is reading them? Or that every American Muslim who does read them rejects their rejection of secularism? This is an increasingly important question in light of the fact that the “Judeo-Christian-Islamic values” campaign is not just another exercise in PC wordplay. Muslim groups have announced their intentions to field more candidates than ever in 2004, and to work harder than ever to influence public policy.

Well and good. But will these candidates be so kind as to explain their relationship to the Sharia, and their long-term goals for the United States and its secular Constitution? I am certain that if any of those candidates read this, they will see it as an insult. It is not intended as such. Faced with similar questions about his Catholicism in 1960, John Kennedy didn’t take them as an insult. He knew that even though anti-Catholicism was a pervasive bigotry (albeit not as fashionable then as it is now), there were non-bigots with genuine questions. After all, Pope Pius IX in 1864 did condemn the proposition that “the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church.” Whether or not Kennedy’s answer was adequately formulated, he took the question seriously and reaffirmed his commitment to our secular government.

Can Muslim politicians please make the same attempt before asking us to swallow the idea of “Judeo-Christian-Islamic values” whole and unexplained? This is a serious question born out of a serious fact: Islam is the only religion in the world that has a set of detailed legal directives for the ordering of societies, and Muslims around the world are pressing hard in numerous countries to put those directives into practice. Must we blandly assume that that can’t and won’t happen here? Certainly an explicit and definitive renunciation of the Sharia, with its built-in inequalities for woman and non-Muslims and its draconian punishments, would not be too much to ask for. Would it?

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Robert Spencer is author of "Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith" (Encounter Books).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abrahamic; cair; islam; judeochristian; values
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To: Sonny M





21 posted on 05/23/2003 6:50:19 AM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
If as Karl Marx said, "Religion is the opiate of the masses," he surely must have been thinking of the Christian and Jewish realm. He should have added, Islam is the crack version run by drug lords.

Karl Marx didn't like any religion or religion in general. It is certain that he definatley hated Islam, since it epitomizes every gripe had against religion with its dual use of state and church merged together.

22 posted on 05/23/2003 6:56:58 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: OpusatFR
So did mine!
23 posted on 05/23/2003 7:00:32 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: SJackson
Let's face it, one of the hallmarks of the Muslim milieu is their societal and religious sanction to lie; and when confronted with their lie to create a lie to try and cover up their previous lie.

Western society on the other hand, as described by Fukuyama in his recent book TRUST, is based on antithetical principles.

24 posted on 05/23/2003 7:02:34 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (You say Muss-lim, I say Moose-limb; Let's call the whole thing off.)
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To: SJackson
Them there JCI's can KMA!
25 posted on 05/23/2003 7:15:58 AM PDT by Humvee
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To: SJackson
read later
26 posted on 05/23/2003 7:17:58 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Kenton
Muslims at our school have complained that the pledge of allegiance to the flag is offensive to them as is the American flag itself offensive to them.
27 posted on 05/23/2003 7:44:19 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: SJackson
One thing that has stood out in the past few months is the inveterate prevarication of so many Muslims, from those in the so-called street, to those at the highest levels (eg Baghdad Bob, Al-Jazeerah, et al.). I recently found out that this prevarication is systematic and has a name: ketman. Czeslaw Milosz (Nobel Prize in Literature, 1980) saw many parallels between the systematic deception in socialist societies and that practiced in Islamic countries. He details the parallels in his 1953 book, The Captive Mind. It's a book I highly recommend..

Did a quick search of the web and came up with this summary of Milosz's discussion:

Milosz gives this practice [systematic mendacity] a name, Ketman, which, he says, is 'To say something is white when it is black, to smile inwardly when one is outwardly solemn, to hate when one manifests love, to know when one pretends not to know, and thus to play one's adversary for a fool (even as he is playing you for one).' (The Captive Mind, Penguin, Harmondsworth, 1985 (1953, p 57.) He derives the name "Ketman" from a practice of deception in Islamic societies described by Gobineau during the last century: 'He who is in possession of truth must not expose his person, his relatives or his reputation to the blindness, the folly, the perversity of those whom it has pleased God to place and maintain in error.' The necessity of this practice derived, Gobineau suggested, from the extreme sanctions applicable under religious fundamentalism to those who strayed from orthodoxy.

Extending the idea to socialist totalitarianism, Milosz describes a number of different varieties of Ketman, including National Ketman, to espouse belief in the centrality of Russian socialism while secretly remaining attached to your own national culture; Ketman of Revolutionary Purity, to practice modes of revolutionary rigour, such as the ruthless elimination of weak human links in the ideological chain, while secretly believing in ordinary human values and sometimes even practising them; aesthetic Ketman, to infiltrate into your novels, poems or paintings hidden humanist symbols and messages while apparently expressing loyal Party social realism; and professional Ketman, to practice Party science or art, which imposed a political line on reality, attending the right conferences and gatherings in order to announce this, while secretly practicing real art and science in the privacy of the laboratory or study.

We've got a choice example here of jounalistic Ketman aimed at citizens of a country that has not yet submitted to Islam. Of course the practice of Ketman described by Milosz happens within the socialist sphere (the dar al-Islam). The Ketman in your post is practiced by those in the dar al-Harb, or world of war. Its practitioners are hardly gentile humanists trying to preserve a vestige of civilization in a hostile regime. They're vicious propogandists who want to manipulate public opinion. It reminds me of the Nuclear Freeze folks from back in the Cold War. But art of prevarication is the same. The roots of the practice go back to the Middle Ages, almost to the origins of Islam. I just found it interesting that systematic deception is so well established in the Muslim world that it has a name. There are even various types that can be categorized.

28 posted on 05/23/2003 7:45:13 AM PDT by ishmac
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To: Van Jenerette
...for class reading.
29 posted on 05/23/2003 8:45:32 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)
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To: OpusatFR
My "forbears" and your "forbears" sound like neighbors!
30 posted on 05/23/2003 9:00:56 AM PDT by cgk (It is liberal dogma that human life is an accident - Linda Bowles (r.i.p.))
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To: SJackson
How many bears?

4?

What about all the other bears?
31 posted on 05/23/2003 9:01:18 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: Sonny M
Bizarre, considering that George Washington used refer to muslims as the infidels.

And Geo. Washington also penned that letter to the Truro Synagogue saying that
Jews would be able to live in peace in the new United States.

I hate to use this broad-brush, but too many Muslims simply seem to make a lifestyle
out of what Hitler would have identified as "The Big Lie".

I think they believe the average America is an idiot because he doesn't yet
have the wife in a burqua.
32 posted on 05/23/2003 9:05:08 AM PDT by VOA
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To: OREALLY
Muslims at our school have complained that the pledge of allegiance to the flag is offensive
to them as is the American flag itself offensive to them.


That's why I'm all for making Muslims much happier at living someplace other than
the USA.
Too many of them simply can't wrap their mind around the idea of separation of
of church and state (not that this is explicity stated in the Constitution).

But we do have a general "Render unto Caesar" concept about the secular state
and the spiritual realm being in control of different areas.
33 posted on 05/23/2003 9:08:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
I think they believe the average America is an idiot because he doesn't yet have the wife in a burqua.

Half right, they think the average american is both and idiot and a sinner who is evil, because they will not allow Islam to rule there lives, they also do not believe in tolerance or equality, the fact that we preach it for them, makes us look even dumber to them.

35 posted on 05/23/2003 9:20:11 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
they think the average american is both and idiot and a sinner who is evil,

Anyone who is a co-congregant with those Nigerian Muslims who rioted over
the Miss World contest...
should stay out of the USA...preferably the Western Hemisphere.

Hmmm...maybe time for a modern-day Monroe Doctrine to the Muslims/Islamicists...
"Keep your hands of our countries.
We'll find an alternative to your crude oil and soon be on our way from your sandbox."
36 posted on 05/23/2003 9:26:39 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Sonny M
A quote would be greatly appreciated!
37 posted on 05/23/2003 10:09:46 AM PDT by Coroner
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To: Coroner
I'll look it up again, but I think, roughly that it was part of a speech talking about military history and strategy,(might be regards to discussing the crusades, I got to look it up again) and he always referred to the muslims as "the infidels". I think he said something like the infidels being purged from there conquest of europe and them coming back again one day.
38 posted on 05/23/2003 10:29:38 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: SJackson
CAIR can eat sh!t. The f@#! I'll ever say any such thing.

"Muslim forebears"? Are they smoking crack? Who? Which "forebears". This is a joke. Another not-so-subtle attempt by CAIR to provide a shield for the Islamofascist hordes invading our country.

I notice Bush has yet to do a thing about our borders, and immigration from Islamofascist nations is still continuing.

To which I ask, "Why"?

39 posted on 05/23/2003 10:38:03 AM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
BUMP
40 posted on 05/23/2003 10:44:46 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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