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What Santorum Really Said
Insight ^ | May 19, 2003 | Paul Gottfried

Posted on 05/19/2003 12:04:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

On April 23, central Pennsylvania TV news stations were buzzing with indignation about an interview that the state's junior senator, Republican Rick Santorum, recently had given to the Associated Press. News commentators announced that the National Gay and Lesbian Alliance and Vermont governor and Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean, a leading advocate of gay rights, had called for Santorum to resign from the Senate because of insensitive remarks. Santorum had let it be known that he had a "problem with homosexual acts." He also criticized the Supreme Court for taking away the power of the states to enforce traditional family morals, referring negatively to the Griswold v. Connecticut case in 1965, which had struck down a Connecticut statute banning the sale of contraceptives.

His most horrifying observations were these: "And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [homosexual] sex in your home, you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery." Furthermore: "Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: Society is based on the future of that society."

The enraged leftist media went on to announce that Santorum's career deservedly was over. (In view of his base, these remarks will not hurt him any more than Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) would be hurt among his voters by his call for more protection of a right to a third-term abortion.) Meanwhile, "conservative" commentators accused Santorum of "just not getting it." Thus John Podhoretz dressed him down on April 25 in the New York Post for being "a bull in a china shop, offering examples of such surpassing vulgarity they almost seemed designed to delegitimize his views." According to Podhoretz, "Our nation's culture died an unmourned death on 9/11, when it was clear that whatever differences we Americans had with each other on matters of lifestyle were nothing compared to the murderous hunger of our terrorist adversaries who would happily kill all of us no matter what we did in the bedroom."

Allow me to explain why Santorum is addressing a national issue that all the invocations of 9/11 do not render less timely. First, it seems to me bizarre that Podhoretz objects to "examples of surpassing vulgarity" that Santorum mentioned only in passing. Why, for example, should we consider bigamy and polygamy, which Podhoretz as a Jew must know are fully sanctioned in the Old Testament and routinely were practiced by our Semitic ancestors, more shocking than sodomy? The conjugal patterns established by the Hebrew patriarchs should be less upsetting to us than what is being sanctioned by Gov. Dean.

Moreover, Santorum raised a constitutional problem that the late Justice Byron White (to whom he respectfully refers) and Judge Robert Bork have explored with great anguish. Since the 1960s the Supreme Court has been on a rip, overturning local and state laws that uphold traditional moral and religious beliefs. Whether legislating abortion rights for all 50 states or requiring the removal of Christian symbols from public institutions and public squares, judicial social engineering is alive and well. As the highest court is about to reconsider the constitutionality of the antisodomy laws in Georgia (which it narrowly sustained in a previous decision), Santorum is thinking aloud about how far our judges might go to defend as a "right to privacy" the flouting of traditional social morals.

For all his appeals to "us right-wingers," it is not Podhoretz but Santorum who understands conservative priorities. While, like Podhoretz, Santorum has backed the war against terrorism, he is not trying to recast the right as an antiterrorist crusade. He believes that the well-being of our society hinges on cultural and moral unity at home. Multiculturalism and coercive tolerance of bizarre lifestyles describes a social experiment, not a civilization. Santorum is looking to "the future," which is the dimension of time that should interest conservatives. Given this perspective, he has no patience with short-term Republicans, who run around appeasing the practitioners of alternative social moralities.

Nor has he made his cultural decision because it "exists in his religion [Catholicism]." Santorum has embraced his moral standard because he believes it is necessary for the future of our civilization. Not only Catholics but "every society in history" has defined marriage "as a bond between a man and a woman." If that is not the case, then the "West" and the United States as part of it, will continue to be reconfigured. Dean already is doing that for us, whether we like it or not, building a multicultural laboratory on the basis of his doctrine of an ever-expanding tolerance.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; paulgottfried; ricksantorum
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To: Qwerty
He did NOT use the word, but taken in context the reporters' use of brackets to insert "homosexual" was appropriate.

Well I think that's where I'm concerned: I'm not so sure I agree. I do understand the use of brackets in this manner. I do also think there is a good case for the use of that word changing radically what he said, though your argument is reasonable as well.

But I don't want to get too far off topic, so let me just keep this to the factual information I'm interested in. Do you know for certain that he did not use that word? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just want to be absolutely sure of exactly what he said before it made it's way to paper. Don't mean to be a stickler, but as Rush says, words mean things. Thanks for your help.

21 posted on 05/19/2003 11:26:57 PM PDT by pupdog
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Libertarians may be liberal or they may not. They simply want the sovreignty of their own bodies. This expalins why they are usually pro-chioce on guns, drugs, abortions and laissez fare on capitalism.

Re "Laws that protect society" Explain how sodomy laws protect society.



22 posted on 05/19/2003 11:28:29 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
The only reason I can think of for keeping Sodomy Laws is that it would make it impossible to consumate a gay marriage. It seems to make a distinction between sex acts and coitus.



23 posted on 05/19/2003 11:34:35 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: sinkspur
Big city police departments in Texas DO NOT enforce sodomy laws in homes.

Not since the new sheriff got here, Colonel Ingus.
24 posted on 05/19/2003 11:37:53 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I've always wondered.....what exactly is wrong with being a bull in a china shop?

Especially if it is bad china?
25 posted on 05/19/2003 11:38:22 PM PDT by griffin
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To: ffusco
...."fully sanctioned in the Old Testament"...

Gotta call you on that one. God always intended marriage between a man and woman to be singular. The OT does not 'sanction' polygamy. Some did it, but a price was always extolled.

26 posted on 05/19/2003 11:43:33 PM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin
I just cited from the article.



27 posted on 05/19/2003 11:50:06 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
Libertarians may be liberal or they may not.

Social liberalism is not a conservative virtue.

They simply want the sovreignty of their own bodies.

Except when it comes to consensual incest, bestiality, pedophilia and necrophilia or other “sexual orientations” they are hypocrites.

This expalins why they are usually pro-chioce on guns, drugs, abortions and laissez fare on capitalism.

Drugs and abortions ruin societies…The Boxer revolution anyone?

Re "Laws that protect society" Explain how sodomy laws protect society.

You did a fine job yourself. “The only reason I can think of for keeping Sodomy Laws is that it would make it impossible to consumate a gay marriage. It seems to make a distinction between sex acts and coitus.” But, recognizing homosexual relationships demeans the value of the family unit making into longer necessary or worthy of protection by the government and therefor breaking the universal morality of survival of the species.

28 posted on 05/20/2003 10:22:29 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: sinkspur
Big city police departments in Texas DO NOT enforce sodomy laws in homes.

BS!

29 posted on 05/20/2003 10:24:21 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: ffusco
A true libertarian would never endorse pedophilia or bestiality for that reason.

They would endorse incest though. If you can have consensual sodomy, why not consensual incest?

30 posted on 05/20/2003 11:30:31 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Endorse it? I don't think that is accurate.

A lack of repudiation is not an endorsement.
31 posted on 05/20/2003 12:10:22 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
What is not restricted, is allowed.
32 posted on 05/20/2003 12:13:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
What is not restricted, is allowed.

Yep…that’s one of those unenumerated rights you hear tell about in the 9th Amendment.

33 posted on 05/20/2003 1:06:36 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Remedy
I had sent the Senator a letter of support at the time.

Thanks for posting the link to that petition - I just signed it.
34 posted on 05/20/2003 2:44:30 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: griffin
"God always intended marriage between a man and woman to be singular. The OT does not 'sanction' polygamy. Some did it, but a price was always extolled."


We also have to allow for the cultural differences of the Middle East, where polygamy is still practiced among Arabs, and most likely predated Judaism as well. Many OT passages are clear that polygamy is wrong, many neutral, many are unclear.

One example where a price wasn't extolled is the brief mention of Abijah in 2 Chronicles 14. He married 14 wives and "waxed mighty." Does that mean the Lord sanctioned it? No. But the Lord didn't immediately punish him either.
35 posted on 05/20/2003 10:52:31 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (It's all part of life's rich pageant, you know?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bumping!
36 posted on 05/20/2003 10:53:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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