Anyone Just Hear a TERRIBLE Presentation by Homeland Defense's Hutchinson IGNORING Illegal Aliens?

www.cspan.org ^ | 19 May 2003 | AmericanInTokyo

[AmericanInTokyo]

Anyone else just hear a replay of a talk earlier today (19 May) by former Congressman Asa Hutchison, Homeland Defense Undersecretary for Border Control, going into detail about their new USA Visa program and how it will secure our borders at US points of entry?

[This aired on CSPAN Radio.]

I couldn't believe that talk. IS THIS REALLY BUSH ADMINISTRATION POLICY?!?!

Barf.

No wonder we are being invaded on the installment plan and the many law abiding guests and immigrants are being slapped in the face and insulted. It guess, listening to that talk, it will continue to happen regardless if the GOP or the Dems control the agencies.

[Pa' fuera]

Well I see its that time of day for the Tancredo knee jerks to pop up. When Mexicans start flying planes into our buildings maybe there will be reason to go ballastic over illegal aliens in relation to Homeland Defense. But until then I think you're just being ridiculous.

While they have not committed terrorist acts, the Mexican illegal population has inflicted, and continues to inflict huge damage on our society. Think about the property crime committed, the murders and assaults, the fraud, not to mention the hit that federal and state budgets nationwide take to educate, feed, and provide medical care to illegals. Mexico is backwards and corrupt, in part because of its government, but principally because of its people and their mentality. Further damage is inflicted by the spread and adoption of the Mexican mentality across the U.S. This can do nothing but harm our nation.

[WRhine]

Face it: Buisness generally want the cheaper labor force, retailers want their huge families consuming goods and services, demographers see their high birth rates as sustaining US population growth thereby sustaining economic activity, politicians see all those voters ready to be bought by the party doling out the most in giveaways.

I'll watch in amusement when the businesses that enable/support illegal immigration begin to reel from ever-greater tax burdens, rising crime, smothering regulations, federal/state mandates--all courtesy of amnestied illegal aliens finding their way to the voting booth in overwhelming numbers. It will serve them right.

[Risa]

Tancredo for President! I know so many people who wish he'd run for the Republican nomination in 2004, including me.

[hsmomx3]

When I see/hear/read the local news here in Phoenix, it appears that most of the crimes are committed by people who cannot speak English. I'm not saying all people of a particular nationality are bad as there is good and bad in every nationality, but it is getting ridiculous. And the drive-by shootings, drug busts, etc. seem to happen a few times a day, at least!

[Dr Warmoose]

[Bush] is a GLOBALIST. He does things only for political gains he cares not a whit about the Constitution or the people.

Liberate Iraq, Drop the "Patriot Act" on the US citizens. Allow rural hospitals to close, pump some money into maintaining free health care for illegal aliens. You are right there is a pattern. George Bush and the cast of RINOs in DC have remained like Demoncats in this area. Subvert the US to build up other nations.

Can't say that I blame them though. After a generation or two of graduates from a hate-America university system, business men will do whatever it takes to make a buck in a tax-to-death nation like the US. Since they have been taught that America is evil and everywhere else is great, they have been taught to disrespect our legal system and to embrace authoritarian governments, so business has decided to pour labor dollars into illegals, H1s, and off shore factories.

Everyone loves the relatively cheap labor of illegal aliens. Illegals don't gripe and bitch, organize unions, file carpel-tunnel-syndrome complaints, scream sexual harassment, call in OSHA, EEOC, IRS or any other federal agency to harass an illegal employing business. Just slide them cash under the table and automatically ignore paying FICA, unemployment insurance, or worry about hiting that employment number level where whole new worlds of bureaucratic BS kick-in. Your home owner insurance stays cheaper because every Tom, Dick and Harry wants a brand new roof for their house every time the sun ducks behind a cloud. The way to compensate for this mass money grab by insurance policy holders is to keep the labor costs low.

Illegals don't pay social security, and up until recently weren't going to collect SSI. Because of liberal tax policies that continue to relieve low incomer earners from paying "their fair share" and transfering their responsibilities to the Productive class, there wasn't much in the way of lost tax revenue. Because of seasonal labor, and the IRS trying their hardest to W-2 the entire world, illegals are wonderful for many businesses because they don't file for unemployment thus removing the burden from the employers and the tax payers.

Bush & Co. love illegals aliens because liberal business leaders love illegal aliens and foreign labor. Bush & Co. love open borders because the economy is measured in the S&P not the unemployment figures. It doesn't matter if no one is working domestically as long as the stock market trends upward.

[Risa]

>>I'll watch in amusement when the businesses that enable/support illegal immigration begin to reel from ever-greater tax burdens, rising crime, smothering regulations, federal/state mandates--all courtesy of amnestied illegal aliens finding their way to the voting booth in overwhelming numbers. It will serve them right<<

These circumstances haven't stopped ConAgra, IBP or GFI. the huge meat industries that hire illegals and draw hordes of illiterate impoverished migrant wherever the set up shop. Look at what happened once they moved in to Garden City, Kansas;Grand Island, Nebraska; Storm Lake, Iowa; and Lexington, Nebraska.

For example, when IBP brought it's slaughter and packaging house to Lexington, Nebraska (Now called Mexington), crime doubled, medicaid doubled, the city became a major distribution center for drugs, gang members appeared in town and did drive-by shootings, latino proportions increased to 50% of population and the smell is horrible.

They pick up and move elsewhere when they need to, they don't care, they have no commitment to any one area.

[DoughtyOne]

Face it: Business generally want the cheaper labor force, retailers want their huge families consuming goods and services, demographers see their high birth rates as sustaining US population growth thereby sustaining economic activity, politicians see all those voters ready to be bought by the party doling out the most in giveaways.

I don't disagree with your premise.  It's the accepted mantra concerning this issue.  But it is fallacious.

Illegals earn meager wages.  Of course they supliment them under the table.  Earning little on the books, they can and do recieve services for free.  Medical care, AFDC under Social Security (that you worked you whole life to contribute to, they get shortly after coming here), housing subsidies, income subsidies, food stamps schooling, school food programs and on campus healthcare are the major cash cows.  If older relatives move here, they become wards of the state under social security.

What I'm describing is a system where the illegal earns little, costs society plenty and helps out retailers very little by way of purchasing power.  Last year $30 billion of their meager wages were sent back to Mexico and relitives still there.  This is little more than a welfare system for Mexican nationals still living in Mexico.  Subsidized in the US by our government programs, they are free to send billions over the border.  Where did these billions come from.  It's mostly under the table wages for which no employment taxes were paid.

Wages on this side of the border are deflated by an over-abundance of labor.  Housing is deflated by immigrants that live two or more families to a dwelling.  So what little wages the illegal does spend on this side of the border, that is simply the purchase that would have been made by an adequately compensated US citizen if they hand't been here.  There's no net increase.

As the illegal Mexican immigrant populace swells, it spreads out into areas that were formerly well to do, or at least upper middle class.  As the illegal moves in two or more families to a dwelling, those who can see the handwriting on the wall leave the region.  Thus the housing in that region becomes distressed.  Soon what was a nice upwardly mobile are with nice lawns and emaculate neighborhoods, now has dead grass, cars on the dirt and rotting buildings since the occupants don't have the funds to keep them up.  What we are discussing is the ten year plan to slum seeding and development.  White flight from California is a serious issue.  The middle income wage earners are leaving the state of California for all points.  State budgets are crashing through the ceiling with nobody left to pay the bills.  Illegals are sending their funds out of state.  They are sapping the system dry.  They don't pay taxes on a large portion of their under the table salaries.

Business retailers are watching their middle class purchasers leave the state, while the pauper immigrants move in to replace them.  Tell me which group will spend more money with retailers.  Is it the 50 to 100 thousand dollar household or the 20 to 30 thousand dollar household with six kids?'

There may be an arguement for more bodies and more jobs.  Seems to me that could be sitisfied by encouraging US ciitizens to have more children.  They would enter a system and contribute to it without sucking the life blood from it, but hell that doesn't seem to be a problem does it.  After all, California has never been more financially solvent right?

[sarcasm]

Tancredo for President! I know so many people who wish he'd run for the Republican nomination in 2004, including me.

I hope he runs but, even if he doesn't, I'm writing-in his name in 2004.

[WRhine]

They pick up and move elsewhere when they need to, they don't care, they have no commitment to any one area.

Wait till they can't escape the arm of the Federales because all states and regions have essentially the same taxes and regulations. Oh no doubt, some of the big companies like IBP and ConAgra may be able to lobby and pay off enough politicians to get a break here or there but most companies don't have the resources to always buy favors. This is to say nothing of the lawlessness and the contempt for the law that illegal immigration breeds in the country. The price of this is staggering.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

This guy's a "conservative, patriot"? Sheesh. We gotta' clean the ranks, and I mean, like NOW.

Yeah, like that'll happen. I can only hope that America survives long enough until this generation of kids ends up running the country. Hopefully you and I will be dead and buried by then.

[Theodore R.]

The Republicans want the illegal immigrants for their cheap labor, and the Democrats want them for their votes.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

The politicians will sell-out all of us for a few votes. Sad, very sad.

Unfortunately, thats what it comes down to; for both sides (R) and (D). I thought that since 9/11 the general thought process of your average American and politician would shift from "our side" to "our country"...evidently I was wrong.

[ought-six]

"I am SO SICK OF THIS!!!"

I am, too. I am absolutely fed up with this massive invasion of criminals who hold us, and our laws, in utter contempt. We will be a Mexican country in twenty years. That is almost a certainty, given our elected officials abject surrender to this invading element. California is already gone, and Arizona isn't too far behind. South Texas is pretty much gone, as well. These invaders, and their allies in the MEChA and Aztlan and La Raza groups, are systematically subverting our sovereignty with the help of our politicians. I, myself, don't want to be a Mexican. Do you?

[Dutchy]

Ping...

[Risa]

>>This is to say nothing of the lawlessness and the contempt for the law that illegal immigration breeds in the country. The price of this is staggering.<<

Yes. And it wrecks the theory that we get cheaper products, such as beef, because of the cheap labor. When you add in all the indirect costs of crime, health care, destroyed communities, spread of diseases and so on, and divide it up per pound of meat produced, I bet the true cost of a Mcdonald's hamburger is staggering.

risa

[Risa]

>>Can't say that I blame them though. After a generation or two of graduates from a hate-America university system, business men will do whatever it takes to make a buck in a tax-to-death nation like the US<<

I agree with you about America's taxing and regulating business to death. Yet, I think any satisfaction Americans might derive from cheaper products a delusion, since they must pay the enormous indirect costs of importing cheap labor.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I noted this from your link...Utah has been sinking for some time now.

“Utah is changing at ten times the rate that California has, with the help of the local Hispanic pressure groups, pro-Mexican legislation and the threat of being labeled racists. We find these groups tend to intimidate the Mormons in order to push their agenda and their will; they have even targeted me for speaking against them.”

“I see many young Utah-born adults with families without jobs due to the continued ignored immigration control and state legislation that is pandering to the Pro-Mexican agenda.

People don't seem to understand that Texas, Arizona, and California are no longer the big destinations, as there are only so many hand outs there, so many low level jobs. They are heading all directions and have been for some years now.

The days of this being isolated to Cal, Texas and Arizona, are long over.

[tomakaze]

re:The Specter of Treason in the highest places of government continues. They don't bother even hiding it anymore.
 
Specter? more like a 2 ton elephant. McCarthy was right.