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How Docs Ban Patients (Socialized Medicine Relevance)
Jewish World Review ^ | May 15, 2003 | Peter H. Gott, M.D.

Posted on 05/15/2003 1:19:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway

DEAR DR. GOTT: How do you doctors get rid of a patient if you no longer want to see him or her?

DEAR READER: This is a fascinating topic that I will address in a rather long-winded, but (I hope) interesting way.

All doctors have a few truly obnoxious patients. No matter what the physician does or what methods he employs, his efforts are met with skepticism, mockery and -- sometimes -- angry confrontation. I'm sure this is as true in primitive cultures as it is in the so-called developed world. However, practitioners in different societies have diverse ways of handling the difficult patient.

For example, in the United States, physicians can excuse themselves from a case by writing a registered letter (return receipt requested) explaining why the practitioner wishes to end the relation, and listing alternative doctors, in a sort of farewell referral. To do less is to risk abandonment, a legal pothole that enables ex-patients to initiate lawsuits. American doctors seldom take this radical action, because it's emotionally traumatic for both doctor and patient.

In the United Kingdom, on the other hand, the process is called "striking off" a patient and authorities have been concerned that the practice threatens the very foundation of the National Health Service, Britain's brand of socialized medicine. British doctors can ask a patient to move on without so much as a by-your-leave or word of explanation. Then, on his or her own, the patient must find another practitioner.

This is not an easy task. The patient's reputation as a "troublemaker" frequently precedes him (or her) to the new doctor, who may refuse to take him or her on. This blackball system can result in a needy patient who literally cannot find a family physician, without traveling many miles into a new district. The situation is further complicated by the fact that under the NHS, British doctors are required to see only patients from their "catchment" areas or communities. Once patients are forced to travel out of town, their medical care is no longer paid by the government: They're strictly on a self-pay basis.

Authorities have berated this system because doctors are motivated to get rid of high-cost, time-consuming patients who simply take unnecessary office time or demand too much attention. However, there is an equal amount of concern that the NHS, which was devised to help the public, is somehow missing the mark.

British officials are attempting to remedy the problem by requiring doctors to distribute flyers listing their names, gender, date of licensure, services provided, office hours, home visits, hospital referrals, use of diagnostic services, information about staff and other data. The authorities hope this will enable patients to make a more suitable match with a like-minded family physician.

This isn't going to solve the problem, as any intelligent consumer can see. Patients in the United Kingdom continue to express concern that they could be struck off, because they ask too many questions or take too much time. British doctors seem intent on programming their patients to be uncritical, passive recipients of health care. Mavericks run the risk of medical exile to outlying communities where they have to pay out-of-pocket for medical services.

For all the problems in American medicine -- and, I assure you, there are many -- at least we haven't negatively mutated to this stage. And I hope we never do. The intelligent, independent, inquisitive and sometimes irascible patient is, for me, the best patient.


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1 posted on 05/15/2003 1:19:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I have "fired" patients on less than 5 occasions in the past 20 years.

One of these was a woman who, unbeknownst to me, had a pattern of accusing her physicians of sexually abusing her. She reported me to the state board of medical practice and claimed that I had raped her in my office while conducting a fully clothed interview. In the process of the board investigation, the investigator let it slip that they had known her from previous false claims but were required by state statute to investigate any claim such as hers. I fired her after that incident of care ended. To give you an idea of how difficult that can be, I still end up seeing her occasionally on weekends on call when I cover for other docs in town. ROFL. She now denies that any such thing ever happened.

2 posted on 05/15/2003 1:28:39 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Polycarp
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3 posted on 05/15/2003 1:35:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: johniegrad
I hope you make sure to have a third party around in those instances.
4 posted on 05/15/2003 1:36:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Just ask Elaine, Kramer and Uncle Leo about this.
5 posted on 05/15/2003 1:46:16 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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6 posted on 05/15/2003 2:06:19 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: nickcarraway
From American Medical News:

Regarding "Firing patients" (AMNews, April 14): Your article reminded me of an incident 20 years ago, while I was still delivering babies.

A couple in their early 20s -- she a teacher and he a law student -- came in for their "new OB" appointment. (I have changed their names for the purposes of this letter.)

I came into my consultation room to greet them.

The husband stood up and extended his hand.

"What do people call you?" he said.

"Well, it depends," I replied, "but if I'm meeting them for the first time, and they're the age of my children, it's usually 'Dr. Broselow.' "

"Then you can call me 'Mr. Brown,' " the husband said, with a smirk on his face.

"Y'know, Mr. Brown, I think you and Mrs. Brown are going to be better off seeking your obstetrical care elsewhere."

Mr. Brown replied, "Boy, you sure are easily intimidated!"

"Well, maybe I am, but I've learned to go with my instincts about people."

About six months later I was making rounds one Sunday morning, and encountered a colleague who was supposed to be off for the weekend.

"What are you doing here this morning?" I said. "I thought you were leaving for the lake this morning."

"I was supposed to, but I have this patient who's been thinking she's in labor for a week. She's sweet, but her husband is the biggest SOB I've ever met! He's a law student, and I'm sure he's looking for a reason to sue me."

I chuckled, "Oh, you're taking care of Mrs. Brown?"

"Yes. ... How do you know them?" he said.

--Robert J. Broselow, MD, Lubbock, Texas

7 posted on 05/15/2003 2:12:37 PM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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To: nickcarraway
The intelligent, independent, inquisitive and sometimes irascible patient is, for me, the best patient.

Thank God.

8 posted on 05/15/2003 2:15:09 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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9 posted on 05/15/2003 2:15:46 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nickcarraway
My wife's a doctor in the NHS. Presently working in the A and E dep't (emergency room) in Glasgow. Some patients cost the NHS over 100,000 pounds sterling per year by coming to the hospital daily via ambulance. One fellow who had been doing this for the past ten years or so finally died the other day. He came in daily for a variety of complaints when what he was seeking was a bed for the night. The hospital is obliged to take these patients. The NHS is obliged to send an ambulance crew to pick him up when he calls.

That's just one instance. Daily, my wife tells me of the junkies, alkies, elderly spinsters that come in on a regular basis. They have nothing wrong with them. They use the system because they can. They're seeking attention, a bed, a prescription.

This is what socialized medicine is all about. This is what single payer health care will get you in the end. Social medicine is the trojan horse for socialism.

10 posted on 05/15/2003 2:37:29 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
But does he like that patients' grandchildren like that?
11 posted on 05/15/2003 3:47:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Prodigal Son
I'm in the village fire department's emergency squad. One frequent flyer was becoming a problem, and got reported for falsifying 911 calls. The police had a talk with him, and we haven't been there since.
12 posted on 05/15/2003 3:48:05 PM PDT by Styria
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To: nickcarraway
"For example, in the United States, physicians can excuse themselves from a case by writing a registered letter (return receipt requested) explaining why the practitioner wishes to end the relation, and listing alternative doctors, in a sort of farewell referral. To do less is to risk abandonment, a legal pothole that enables ex-patients to initiate lawsuits. American doctors seldom take this radical action, because it's emotionally traumatic for both doctor and patient."

Such is the way out for an arrogant coward who no doubt would be suddenly disappointed, clueless, and quite surprised during the last two lonely seconds of his "godhood" here on earth.

Of course, he may be lucky in a given instance, getting off easy and only being sued for his intentional infliction of emotional distress on an imperfect patient who surprising may possess a nervous sytem and psyche that is in need of the ministrations of one who claims to be a healer and a professional.

Only a pompous and careless ass would risk antagonizing a relative stranger by not at least attempting to discuss the matter in person and reach a mutual agreement to part on good terms.

But, then, when one goes through the second year of medical school and then the rest of his life considering himself to be an ubermensch, he never seeks to understand how his own behavior might have contributed to or precipitated the problem......

13 posted on 05/15/2003 4:21:39 PM PDT by tracer (/b>)
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To: Prodigal Son
We have this problem already. It is called the psychiatric hospital
14 posted on 05/15/2003 5:40:43 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: Prodigal Son
coming to the hospital daily via ambulance.

Our MediCal patients do this here in California, perhaps not daily but very frequently. They use the ER as a clinic while paying customers do their best to avoid it.

15 posted on 05/15/2003 6:36:37 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: johniegrad
You had every reason to fire that one johniegrad! Scary woman!
16 posted on 05/15/2003 6:38:46 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: tracer
I and other doctors in my clinic sometimes "fire" patients. Remember we are in PRIVAIE practice, it is our business. We are not obligated to see anyone that walks in the door. Now that I have said that we do rarely "fire" a patient. Most always it is because they abuse their prescription drugs( we know this in that they have seen numerous doctors and got numerous prescriptions filled at different pharmancies). I refuse to be someones drug lord. Or it is because they have been violent (cussing out the help up front). Hardly ever is it for that 20% that never pay a penny on their bill. I wonder how many times this 20% could get a tank of gas or get the cigarettes, cokes, fast food or alcohol or go gambling and not pay a penny. I am willing to see anyone who makes a good faith effort to pay a 1.00 a month to pay their bill. But not even a penny is like a slap in the face. I want a cash only based practice with trust between patient and physician. (I know I am dreaming.) I have patients that bitch about their 10.00 co-pay. Of coarse they do not pay anything for their insurance their employer does so it MUST COVER EVERY PENNY.
17 posted on 05/15/2003 6:39:27 PM PDT by therut
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To: therut
As a transcriptionist, I type up the "fired patient" letters occasionally. The various docs I transcribe (North Carolina and Georgia) for have never "fired" someone because of not paying, at least not any I've typed up. The reasons have been precisely the ones you list - lying about previous prescriptions from other docs/drug seeking, and/or scaring the staff with threatening, cussing out, etc. Also, a patient who no-shows consistently without calling will get a warning letter or two - I've only seen one that went so far in that aspect as to get dismissed.

As the wife of a dentist who struggled in private practice for 6 years, going ever deeper in the hole thanks to patients who thought we were "rich" and could stand to treat a few patients for free, I fully agree with your rant. "Cheap," "entitled" medical care (i.e. $10 co-pay) thanks to insurance spills over to the dental profession, with patients loathe to pay even as much as they pay their hair stylists.

18 posted on 05/15/2003 7:09:59 PM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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To: tracer
Well, you see, when someone comes in with your attitude, then there is no way to please them.

I would fire people who swore at my staff or threatened them.

But mostly we talk it out and come to the understanding that I am not the doctor of their dreams and they should continue their fastasy quest elsewhere.

For example, one man refused any recommended treatment unless I could prove to him with lab tests, etc. that that is what was the matter with him. I explained that for most complaints it is not cost effective to do a battery of tests before starting treatment, that for some complaints it was downright dangerous and lifethreatening to wait for the test results before starting treatment, and for some maladies there were no tests, just signs and symptoms to guide the doctor. He wouldn't buy that medicine sometimes is experience and judgment, not just reading a lab report. We parted ways.

Most of the others that I didn't feel I could help left this way, by my showing them that they would not be satisfied with the care I could give them.

However, I had a number of patients in my practice that no one else would see, because I find characters amusing and because as I would tell my staff, it is his illness that is making him testy, so have patience with him/her.

When disability forced me to give up my practice, I had to write as part of the contract turning my practice over to the internist who assumed it that she could not dismiss one particularly difficult patient if he could not find another physician.

19 posted on 05/15/2003 7:53:48 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: nickcarraway
I'll HAVE to show this thread to Sir SuziQ!!
20 posted on 05/15/2003 8:00:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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