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'Honey, You Repel Me': Advice For Couples in a Sexless Marriage
Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, May 15, 2003 | SUE SHELLENBARGER

Posted on 05/15/2003 12:50:59 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:48:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A few times in my 12 years writing this column, I've stumbled on a topic so unsettling to readers that it demanded a follow-up. Last month was one of those times, when my story on the problems of dual-income, no-sex marriages drew a torrent of e-mail that read as if I'd jabbed an open wound.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; sex
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To: Woahhs
You know zip about female sexuality.
361 posted on 05/15/2003 7:26:22 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: dirtboy
Just keep the vacuum cleaner in the closet, thank you...I had a bad experience once on FR with one of those suckers.

LOL, I remember this being mentioned several years ago.

362 posted on 05/15/2003 7:27:14 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: omegatoo
If a man is not willing to bend over backwards to give his wife what she needs, don't expect her to have anything but contempt for his demands.

That's pretty clever...mind if I borrow it?

Now let my tell you why you're dreaming. He's asking for one quantifiable, verifiable activity. You are stacking that against any number of nebulous "needs" that only she gets to judge as having been satisfied or not.

No thanks...my daddy always taught me you can't argue with performance.

363 posted on 05/15/2003 7:29:55 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: RMDupree
As enthusiastic as possible with kids in the next room! *wink*

In other words, you made sex fit into your surroundings/routine...but he's suppose to go "out of his way" to make you "feel" a certain way?

:-/

364 posted on 05/15/2003 7:33:23 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
How is helping me do the things I do EVERY DAY asking him to go "out of his way"?

And how do you suppose I change my surroundings/routine? Should I throw my kids away? Or should I only have sex on the nights I get babysitting (once a month)?

I think you're the one being a bit unrealistic here. Either that or you don't have kids.

366 posted on 05/15/2003 7:36:45 PM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Deep roots are not reached by the frost..)
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To: Lorianne
We may disagree on the smoking threads, but we certainly agree here.
367 posted on 05/15/2003 7:38:28 PM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Deep roots are not reached by the frost..)
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To: RMDupree
Marriage counseling bump to review later.
368 posted on 05/15/2003 7:39:18 PM PDT by altura (been there, done that ...but not well)
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To: Lorianne
You know zip about female sexuality.

Then there are a lot of women, and authors of books on marital sexuality, that don't know zip either.

In other words...you wish.

369 posted on 05/15/2003 7:39:28 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
Whatever. Just because a woman isn't interested in sex with her husband doesn't necessarily mean she's uninterested in sex (as many men seem to assume here).

But go right ahead and demand obligation sex if that's the only kind you can get.

371 posted on 05/15/2003 7:44:21 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: RMDupree
How is helping me do the things I do EVERY DAY asking him to go "out of his way"?

You don't see anything wrong with that sentence? You mean to tell me there are things he does every day that you help him with?

And how do you suppose I change my surroundings/routine?

By exercising the same level of creativity you expect him to use to make you "feel" a certain way.

372 posted on 05/15/2003 7:47:30 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Delbert; Scothia
I have been in a similar thread like this in the past and got ganged up on by all of the overweight chicks. Figures.

You don't get the rules. In any conflict between a man and a woman, it's the man's fault. Women are under no obligation to figure out how to maintain their men's attention and affection -- it must be given unconditionally. However, men must always be attentive to the moods and needs of their women, and continually be active in satisfying those needs. Males who fail to do so are "jerks" and "immature".

373 posted on 05/15/2003 7:49:27 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
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To: Woahhs
I am talking about things that are both of our responsibility, Woahhs. The kids, the house, the chores, etc.

I don't ask him to come to my office everyday and do my work nor does he ask me to do his occupation, but the home is where both partners need to pull their weight so things get done quicker and one person isn't carrying an excessive amount of the burden.

374 posted on 05/15/2003 7:50:35 PM PDT by RMDupree (HHD: Deep roots are not reached by the frost..)
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To: carlo3b
So who's this guy Basil Habaneros?
I think I met him on a blind date.
375 posted on 05/15/2003 7:50:48 PM PDT by stanz (All those folks who believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth)
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To: Woahhs
He's asking for one quantifiable, verifiable activity

Now let me tell you why you are completely wrong. To a woman sex is not just an activity. It is soul-sharing, total immersion of herself into her mate. Of course no woman expects it to be perfect every time, but a part of her always needs that. Any man who says 'honey I love you but.... has now put conditions on his love. A woman has trouble committing to a man who doesn't love her unconditionally.

You are also completely wrong about the Mars/Venus books. One the key ideas in the book is for women to learn not to expect to get from their mate what they should get from their girlfriends. It does, however have some great translations to help you find ways to communicate that will be understood.

Men need to learn how important intimacy is to women, and women need to learn how important sex is to men. Neither should with-hold from the other, I just think that sometimes men think that if they are giving their wife sex, then they are fulfilling her needs for intimacy, and that is often not the case. Most women in these cases are not purposfully withholding sex, they are searching for ways to regain their desire, and that can only be done with the help of their mate, if he will only stop focusing on what she SHOULD want and try to understand what she DOES want.

O2

376 posted on 05/15/2003 7:51:53 PM PDT by omegatoo
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To: Lorianne
Just because a woman isn't interested in sex with her husband doesn't necessarily mean she's uninterested in sex (as many men seem to assume here).

Intellectually dishonest as ever. No one assumed that beside you...and that to butress your prejudice. If she can't have sex, it gets easier to not have sex. If he can't have sex, it gets more difficult.

And that says nothing about a desire for romance and intimacy.

377 posted on 05/15/2003 7:54:10 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: dark_lord
On the other hand, it can be argued that the purpose of sex is for procreation.

If that were the only reason, we'd be like most animals, only interested in sex, male and females alike, near the time when the female is ovulating. We aren't like that, in fact we are probably less like that than any other creature that walks, swims, or flies the earth, and so there must be another purpose. Some have speculated that it's to help maintain the male/female bond during the really long time it takes for humans to be raised to something approximating maturity. Makes sense to me.

378 posted on 05/15/2003 7:59:03 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: All
I wonder if some of this could be solved if couples TURNED THE DA*N Television OFF (and computer, too! LOL) I would bet that since the advent of this media....and the focus by Hollywood on GREAT SEX all the time, everywhere...relationships have suffered more than not. (It would be interesting to talk to couples who do not WATCH TV or use the Internet too much).
379 posted on 05/15/2003 8:02:12 PM PDT by goodnesswins (For Lease.....)
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To: marujo
I take them as the indisputable word of G-d and yes literal and do quite a lot of thinking for myself.
And your lack of understanding is Ok for you I guess... for now...

I still stand that your quick rush to judgement seemed rash and liberal.
380 posted on 05/15/2003 8:02:40 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<><)
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