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The Declaration of Independence for Dummies, Part 1
tame | Thursday, May 15, 2003 | tame

Posted on 05/15/2003 1:18:48 AM PDT by tame

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To: MHGinTN
Yeah ... smack that liberal snout --- to the moon (( jackie gleason -- one of these day -- pow ... right in the kisser ! )) !

another gleason favorite ... "you know --- YOU GOTTA A BIG MOUTH" !
61 posted on 05/15/2003 12:54:05 PM PDT by f.Christian (( the VERY sick mind - won't recognize facts -- REALITY -- probability anymore ! ))
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To: f.Christian
I'll resort to Seinfeld ... "Yada, yada, yada ..." Gleason also said (to his ALice) "Baby, you're the greatest."
62 posted on 05/15/2003 1:01:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: tame
I think I will stick with the 'old' Declaration, even with its 'antiquated' language.

The next thing people will be telling us is that we need a 'new' Bible to replace the King James! :>)

63 posted on 05/15/2003 1:40:26 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: tame
In my reading, on such principles...as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness does not mean the same thing as "tried and true". Tried and true would seem to preclude taking a risk on new principles.
64 posted on 05/15/2003 1:58:01 PM PDT by eBelasco
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To: tame
the laws of nature and of nature’s God

too bad that you changed this phrase. At the time of the founders this phrase was the natural law that all our laws should be based on.

Blackstones law was based on this. The founders and all people of the day studied the Bible and nature to know what God wanted, expected us to live by

yes God

That is why there aren't many laws in the Constitution, the laws were set up in the declaration. The constituion was just how the gov. would be set up and run.

Of course, now we have lost that knowledge. On purpose... I think so.

65 posted on 05/15/2003 2:23:45 PM PDT by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: tame
that God created every person equal

A better translation would be "that God created all people as equals", specifically in the eyes of the law. The context here is to contrast with the concept of peerage, where different classes of people had different rights. Your original translation still leaves open the possible reading in of the typical liberal fallacy that equality of outcome, not opportunity, is what is being argued for.

66 posted on 05/15/2003 2:33:48 PM PDT by kevkrom
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To: MHGinTN
"...not to any prince, king, czar, emperor, etc. to whom subjects, not individuals, to be moved around, dictated to, disposed of however the sovereign wished." I would disagree, and the evidence of the intention to address the unalienable right to LIFE (to be alive) is found in the Constitutionally asserted 'due process' renderings....

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Of course, my friend, of course. But isn't "to be alive" part and parcel of (being master of) one's own life?

Also, an "unalienable right to life" is neither in the Declaration nor in the body of the Constitution, but rather it is found in the Fifth Amendment which deals with, as you said, judicial process; not a person's "right" to his own life.

Still and all, this all could be just tilting at windmills on my part. Heaven knows, I've been wrong before, and will doubtlessly stumble and land smack on my nose many more times in the future.

"Hier steheich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir."

67 posted on 05/15/2003 3:33:48 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: tame
Hey I like it. Can I use it in my classroom and pass it on to other homeschoolers I know?
68 posted on 05/15/2003 3:35:07 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: yankeedame
What? You don't see 'unalienable right to LIFE', etc. in the Declaration of Independence? What copy are you reading, the one nailed to the toilet seat at NOW headquarters?
69 posted on 05/15/2003 5:53:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: tame
Thanks, that was refreshing. I'm going to read both versions to my sons.

You could even set it to music. Can you think of any good musical group? (wink-wink) 8~)

70 posted on 05/15/2003 7:19:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: tame
On first reading, two differences jump out at me.

”When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary [f]or one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...”

Whenever a group of people needs to split from their government...

While I appreciate your desire to change the wording to something that is understandable in today's society, I think you've made this statement a little too flippantly. Brevity is a good thing, but this one needs a little more explanation. I would try something like:

Sometimes a people that were once one people split and grow in different directions until they are no longer one. When this happens, they can no longer live peacefully under one government, and they do best by splitting into two separate, independently sovereign governments.

”and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

And, in fact, history shows that people are more likely to put up with unbearable evil (They even get used to it!), than they are to correct the problem. You know the saying: Put a frog in hot water and he’ll jump out. But put him in cool water and gradually turn up the heat, and he’ll fry to death.

I disagree with your interpretation of this passage. I don't think that Thomas Jefferson is just trying to draw the old boiling frog analogy. (See We Are Not Frogs for more of my feelings on that topic.) Instead, I think he's saying that if the division between two peoples is small enough for them not to divide, then it is generally better and easiest for them not to divide. He's giving this statement to strengthen his previous statement that governments shouldn't split over trivial issues. He doesn't say that people put up with unbearable evils as you claim, but instead says that people will tolerate the evils only as long as they are bearable. His point is that he wouldn't be writing this whole thing if the problems were things that could be tolerated. He is writing only because the problems have gone beyond that point. My version would be:

Generally, history has shown that if there is a way to stay united, it's the right thing to do. Most of the time, splitting creates more problems than it solves. If these were problems that we could put up with, we'd put up with them and stay united.

Saving a Few Jobs
Bill

71 posted on 05/15/2003 9:59:28 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Hey I like it. Can I use it in my classroom and pass it on to other homeschoolers I know?

Sure. Why not?

72 posted on 05/16/2003 1:11:21 AM PDT by tame (Anyone else heard of this "SeaSilver" Product? What's the word?)
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To: WFTR
I appreciate your thoughts:-)
73 posted on 05/17/2003 11:49:38 PM PDT by tame (Anyone else heard of this "SeaSilver" Product? What's the word?)
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