[Remedy]

OTHER Briefs filed at the United States Supreme Court - John G. Lawrence, et al. v. Texas, No. 02-102, Alabama, South Carolina, and Utah (State Attorneys General) American Center for Law and JusticeJay Alan Sekulow, Counsel of Record American Family AssociationStephen M. Crampton, Counsel of Record Center for Arizona PolicyThis brief refutes the errors expressed in the opposing amicus submitted by the American Psychology Association. Len L. Munsil, Counsel of Record Center for Law and Justice InternationalPat Monaghan, Counsel of Record Center for the Original Intent of the ConstitutionMichael P. Farris, Counsel of Record Concerned Women for AmericaJanet M. LaRue, Counsel of Record Family Research Council & Focus on the FamilyRobert P. George, Counsel of Record Legislators, State of TexasKelly Shackelford, Counsel of Record Liberty CounselMathew D. Staver, Counsel of Record Pro Family Law CenterRichard Ackerman, Counsel of Record Texas Eagle Forum; Daughters of Liberty Republican Women of Houston, Texas; Spirit of Freedom Republican Women's ClubTeresa Stanton Collett, Counsel for Amici Curiae Texas Physicians Resource Council, Christian Medical and Dental Association, Catholic Medical Association Glen Lavy, Counsel of Record United Families International

[Mr. K]

and I am not buying the 2.8% claim either- nature does not make that many mistakes in a species (one out of 50???) and survive

[Paradox]

I had bought the 10% figure. Didn't really matter to me since I am not against gays per se, just their politics. But I feel like an idiot for believing the figure in the first place, of COURSE they would make statistics up to support their cause...

[Recovering_Democrat]

BUMP!

[onyx]

They're a well-organized and vociferous bunch, no matter their true number.

[detsaoT]

Conservatives have been saying this for years. Glad to see we finally "outed" the rats (pun intended).

Bump!

:) ttt

[OXENinFLA]

I have a gay Uncle that teaches at William & Mary. He is writing a book "Weathering Change: Gays and Lesbians, Christian Conservatives, and Everyday Hostilities."

The more I learn about how the Homosexual agenda is ruining this country the more what he does ticks me off. Guess I need to send him some truth about what is wrong with things and lies his piers are putting forward. This article may help.

[BibChr]

Surveying The Arts, one could get the impression that about 87.4% are homosexual.

Dan

[raybbr]

Even giving them the benefit of the doubt, and we accept that 5% is gay, how is it then that this small minority is allowed to dictate to the other 95%.

I have been saying this for years. We are allowing small minorities, hispanics, gays, disabled, etc. dictate to us. It has to stop. We have to say, "You are the minority, deal with it."

[longtermmemmory]

the three percent number is not reliable either. It seems they are using the footnote to buy legitimacy. They got caught in a lie and and using a smaller lie to say they are "honest" to admit their lie. Does this number count the number of people in the prison population who adjust their behavior to accomodate their circumstances? Who took these numbers? Where did these people "admit".

[ffusco]

This is a BIGGIE!

The 10% figure was based on very questionable research done by one of the biggest weirdos of his day. It included using his wife as a surrogate, interviewing convicts and swingers and prostitutes....

[DonQ]

Several years ago, when I was in my twenties, I did a survey scientifically designed to identify the gays and lesbians I might encounter. The test was extremely scientific -- the criteria was whether this person was sexually attracted to me.

After more than 3 years of intensive field study I determined that Washington DC has absolutely no gay men but that it was chockablock with lesbians.

[kegler4]

"...and to recruit public school children into the homosexual deathstyle."

Gimme a break. Yep, that homosexual lifestyle my fourth grade teacher is describing sounds so good I think I'll just become one. That's the ticket.

And the 10 percent figure was thoroughly debunked many, many years ago. Heck, you could see that was tripe just by being alive. So now a couple of homosexual groups have said it in a court document now.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just move along.

[Larry Lucido]

In a footnote on page 16 of this homosexual coalition’s legal brief, they admit that "2.8% percent of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

They will still insist it's 10%, and that the rest are in obvious denial.

[Libertina]

Homosexual Groups Admit ‘10%’ Figure Is Wrong and admit they are "pushing" for 15%...

After they break down all moral barriers, perhaps even the % of bestiality will reach 20%. It has always been about breaking down society. Piece by piece, tradition after tradition.

[biblewonk]

I suspect that the percentage in Hollywood is way over 10 percent.

[ChadGore]

Realityaphobic gay agenda.

[wimpycat]

In what will go down as one of the most underreported stories of the year...

An unfortunate choice of words in this particular article.

[FourtySeven]

Well, this is all very interesting (and it is interesting, I'm not kidding there), but as far as justifying making homosexuality illegal, it falls far short. I'm sure both sides in this debate have "stretched" the truth in some areas, (albeit probably not the same areas).

We can't legistlate morality. It's literally incongruous with the concept of individual liberty. It's just that simple. However, to make my point even clearer, I would ask that any reader of this post to ask him/herself the following question: If it's ok to legislate homosexuality because it's immoral, what about adultery? If it's a question of health risk, what about the diseases spread by adultery and other forms of extramarital/pre-marital sex? Should those (extramarital/premarital sex) be outlawed as well?

Clearly this becomes a case of reductio ad absurdum. To take the reasoning behind the Texas law of sodomy to its fullest, and most logical conclusion, we would have to push for the illegalization of every form of sex practiced in this country, except for sex between a man and a woman, of legal age, who are married and only engage in the "missionary position" (or other such sexual acts that wouldn't involve oral or anal intercourse). Then we would have to appoint a special "task force" for such an endeavor, and spend enormous resources over decades (probably) wiping out the "problem" of "un-approved sex", probably never to fully achieve our goal of complete eradication of same. (Kind of like the rediculous drug war of today).

Clearly, reductio ad absurdum. Does this mean we shouldn't fight to keep homosexual "education" (read "INDOCTRINATION") out of our public schools? Of course not. That's a separate area where people who are not of age (children) are basically being encouraged to not only engage in sex, but also to engage in a sexual act that's not "natural", and clearly are being lied about the statistics of homosexuals in the country anyway!

However, when it comes to the idea of legislating sexuality among consenting adults, this opens up too much of a slippery slope, imo. Should beastiality be legislated? Yes, because it's arguably animal cruelty, as an animal can't give consent. Should inscest be legislated (i.e., sex between direct relatives such as a mother and son or father and daughter)? Yes, as clearly the product of such a union would most likely be a deformed or handicapped child in some way.

Homosexuals, however, only hurt themselves, and any diseases they spread are spread just as fast as any heterosexual engaging in premarital or extramarital sex. Thus, I'd advise my fellow conservatives to let this one go, or be consistent and push for the legislation of every type of sex, including heterosexual sex.

[Publius6961]

In a footnote on page 16 of this homosexual coalition’s legal brief, they admit that "2.8% percent of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

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Wait.
Shouldn't we wait until the poor sad sack to told the truth is contacted and shown the error of his ways by the other perverts?
Won't they simply claim that it was an honest mistake?

I think I'll wait.

[ClearCase_guy]

Something else to consider. IF homosexuality is hard-wired in some people through some sort of genetic mechanism, and IF the homosexual population is 2.8%, then this will have been true (for the most part) all through history.

On the other hand, if homsexuality is based (even in part) on active lifestyle choice, or on received childhood trauma, or a particular parenting style (absent father, etc) then the 2.8% that we see today in America comes from:

genetics
trauma
decline in parenting
A culture which actively praises and glamorizes homsexual lifestyles
An educational establishment which actively encourages sexual experimentation

Given all of these factors rolled together, one must at least consider the possibility that the percentage of homosexuals in a society might be reduced to (let's say) 0.01%