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Minnesota CCW: The battle for concealed carry
Minnesota Public Radio ^ | May 12, 2003 | Mark Zdechlik

Posted on 05/12/2003 8:12:13 AM PDT by jdege

The battle for concealed carry

by Mark Zdechlik, Minnesota Public Radio
May 12, 2003


Hamline University Law Professor Joe Olson formed Concealed Carry Reform NOW! in 1996 in his effort to make it easier for Minnesotans to legally carry handguns. (MPR File Photo)

The recent signing into law of Minnesota's Personal Protection Act marks a victory in a years long gun lobby battle to make it easier to carry handguns in Minnesota. It is also the second high profile, controversial piece of legislation to reach Gov. Tim Pawlenty's desk after bypassing conventional Senate debate. And even some lawmakers who voted yes on the concealed carry legislation say the process by which the bill became law underserves the public.

St. Paul, Minn. — Seven years ago a small group called the Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance changed its name to Minnesota Concealed Carry Reform NOW! and set out to make it significantly easier to legally carry handguns in Minnesota. The group wanted Minnesota law changed so that rather than having discretion over concealed carry permit applications, law enforcement would be required to grant permits, provided citizens meet standardized criteria. Concealed Carry Reform NOW! founder Joe Olson says he started in 1996 by passing out 500 flyers at a gun show promoting a concealed carry meeting. About 50 ended up attending.

From that small start he has built a database of thousands of supporters across the state. He says they're regular Minnesotans who happen to feel strongly about their right to bear arms and who are accordingly happy to work against lawmakers who disagree with them.

"We went out and contacted other people who were interested," Olson said. "We set up an email alert system which has been wildly successful."

Sucessful to the extent Olson says CCRN supporters regularly forward newsletters, print them up and post them throughout the state by the thousands.

Since it set out to make carrying handguns easier in Minnesota, CCRN has spent a little more than $55,000 lobbying, according to documents on file with the state Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board. The National Rifle Association has no formal relationship with CCRN but has been working in states across the country to pass concealed carry legislation.

Olson says NRA lobbying helped coordinate the final concealed carry push at the Minnesota legislature.

"We had significant help from the NRA in the last three months," Olson said. "Todd Atkins from the NRA came in here. He's probably been in Minnesota 40 out of the last 50 days."

The National Rifle Association's state political action committee has spent just short of $300,000 in Minnesota since 1996, including more than $60,000 last fall on behalf of Republican gubernatorial candidate Tim Pawlenty.

Concealed carry has been before state lawmakers on several occasions. It passed the House three times beginning in 1996. In 2001, the Senate rejected concealed carry by just two votes.

With solid support in the House the Senate became the battleground. Olson says CCRN's work on the gun issue played a role in the defeat of some Democratic lawmakers, among them the two-term Senator from North Branch. "Twyla Ring had to go and we certainly helped push her out," Olson said.

Former Sen. Twyla Ring, DFL-North Branch, says she doesn't know exactly why she lost her re-election bid. She says several factors likely contributed, among them legislative redistricting and her decision to all but stop campaigning following the death of Sen. Paul Wellstone. Ring also has no doubt her opposition to concealed carry legislation played a role.

"I just know there was a lot of misinformation," Ring said. "Whether it came from that group or others, regarding what the bill in fact said."

Olson says between 500 and 1,000 CCRN supporters helped in the fight against Ring's reelection. Olson says people, not money, made CCRN successful.

Concealed carry proponents also targeted Sen. Steve Murphy, DFL-Red Wing. A former Marine, and self described "gun guy," Murphy ran afoul of the gun lobby for his counter proposal to the "shall issue" legislation. Murphy's plan would have made it easier to appeal a rejected concealed carry permit, but would not move Minnesota to a "shall issue" state.

"Their website has people's names on it, their addresses, emails; these are the legislators that are for us, these are the ones that are against us, these are the ones that we really despise, I was in that category," said Murphy.

But Murphy won and once again voted against concealed carry. Murphy and other lawmakers say the "Personal Protection Act," became law because some legislators were afraid to vote no.

CCRN leader Joe Olson says that's precisely how democracy is supposed to work: "Of course. If you anger your constituents, you won't be reelected."

Olson says he knew after last fall's votes were counted, concealed carry had majority support in the Senate. But he also knew Senate leadership still opposed it and would try to keep it from a floor vote. That meant the best way to get it passed would be to bypass conventional lawmaking procedures.

"And you know I've been sort of struck by the screaming and whining from the other side," Olson said. "I mean playing by the rules is playing by the rules."

But even some lawmakers who voted for the bill are sharply critical of the process by which the measure made it way to Gov. Pawlenty's desk.

The Republican-controlled House delivered concealed carry to the Senate as an ammendment to an unrelated Department of Natural Resources bill which the Senate had previouosly passed. Senators then had just two choices; they could either vote to send the measure to a conference committee for debate, or they could vote conceal carry up or down on the Senate floor. They took the latter option and passed the bill, even though polls showed most Minnesotans did not want the law changed.

"I think it could have used more work," said Sen. Sheila Kiscaden, IP-Rochester. "I'm very angry that we did not have a debate about this bill in the Senate."

Kiscaden was a Republican until her latest reelection campaign. She says she lost her party's endorsement, in part, because of her support for legalized abortion and her position on gun control. Kiscaden says she ended up voting yes to concealed carry, but Kiscaden says the bill should have been more closely scrutinized. She says it was not because special interests, in concert with elected officials, circumvented debate.

"There are always special interest groups here," Kiscaden said. "The difference is the collusion between those of us who are elected with the special interest groups.

"I've seen this happen, you know the DFL sometimes will ally with some of their special interests, with labor or whatever to make things happen," she added. "What you see now is the Republican majority in the House is aligning themselves and facilitating the proposals that their special interests groups want and it's not good for the state if we allow this to continue, this thwarting of full debate on controversial issues."

It's the second time this session Republicans have forced legislation from the House to a Senate floor vote. House Republicans used a similar maneuver with their controversial 24 hour abortion waiting period bill which was also signed into law.

The Minnesota Personal Protection Act, the nation's 35th state right to carry law, takes effect at the end of the month but some DFL lawmakers are already saying they want to repeal the law. A new poll found a majority of Minnesotans think the state's new concealed carry law will make Minnesota more dangerous. Pawlenty says he's open to modifcations if legislators deem changes are in order.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
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Twyla Ring "doesn't know exactly why she lost".

OK.

Steve Murphy thinks it's terrible that what he does in the legislature might be constrained by worries about whether he'll be re-elected.

What a shame.

And Sheila Kiscaden is "very angry that we did not have a debate about this bill in the Senate".

We had seven and a half hours of debate on the Senate floor, this session, preceded by two days of debate in committee. What really angers Sheila is the simple fact that the vast majority of Republicans in her district support this bill.

Joe Olson is right - this is how democracy is supposed to work.

1 posted on 05/12/2003 8:12:14 AM PDT by jdege
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To: *bang_list; **Minnesota
Bang!
2 posted on 05/12/2003 8:12:38 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
The audio of the story is available here
3 posted on 05/12/2003 8:21:44 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
Have you ever noticed how anything the right wants passed is always controversial? ie. concealed carry, no new taxes, lower taxes, 24hr wait on abortion...
4 posted on 05/12/2003 9:54:39 AM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Valin
Have you listened to the audio? Joe makes some points that you would think wouldn't have to be made.

"We have probably five hundred to a thousand people in her [Twyla Ring's] district, and they went out and talked to four or five other people each, and before she knew it, she'd lost her constituency."

[...]

"Of course. If you anger your consituents, you won't be re-elected. That's how democracy is supposed to work."


5 posted on 05/12/2003 10:18:57 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
That last paragraph of the article tells me all I need to know, Minnesota's Personal Protection Act will be very short-lived. I already set up conceal carry training and have cancelled because this will never come to be law in Minnesota. I give up, it's time to relocate to a state where common sense is the rule not the exception.
6 posted on 05/12/2003 3:52:31 PM PDT by cabbieguy (eye suport publik edukashun)
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To: cabbieguy
The Minnesota Personal Protection Act, the nation's 35th state right to carry law, takes effect at the end of the month but some DFL lawmakers are already saying they want to repeal the law. A new poll found a majority of Minnesotans think the state's new concealed carry law will make Minnesota more dangerous. Pawlenty says he's open to modifications if legislators deem changes are in order.

Don't worry so much.

Of course there are DFL lawmakers who want it repealed. They're the same lunatic metrocrats that have been trying to stop it all along.

They haven't yet figured out that they are the minority party, let alone why.

And yes, the Strib ran one of their intentionally-slanted polls, and found exactly what they wanted to find - as they always do.

The Strib was convinced that Skip Humphrey was going to win the Governor's race in 1998 - and he came in at 19%.

Their polling represents a far better view of what they wished Minnesotans thought that what we really do.

And as for Pawlenty's willingness to reconsider provisions of the law, I'm sure he is. For some provisions, anyway. Like removing the ban on school property, or restoring the provision that would have required business owners to provide secure storage, if they want to ban carry on their premises.

But if you think we're going to be flummoxed into adding additional restrictions on the carry law, because of the outraged screams of a handful of the extreme left, you haven't been paying much attention to what's going on in at the Capitol.

7 posted on 05/12/2003 4:05:20 PM PDT by jdege
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To: cabbieguy
Don't give up. The left is constantly cooking the books on averything, polls included. Reinforce your congress critter. Call them two or three times a day and tell them how safe you now feel and how proud you are of them. If you are "giving up" you may be one of the leftist anti-gun bunch trying to lead good folks away from the richeous path.

Dan

8 posted on 05/12/2003 5:31:21 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan
I can assure you I'm not from the " left wing anti-gun bunch". I retired 2 years ago and have watch this fight for our 2nd ammendment rights since I got out of the USMC in 1962. I almost moved to Texas last year, so if this legislation is watered down (knowing the politics of MN it will be) I am out of here. The fight has been too damn long, and too disappointing.
9 posted on 05/12/2003 6:28:17 PM PDT by cabbieguy (eye suport publik edukashun)
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" The fight has been too damn long, and too disappointing."

Well, Cabbieguy, I don't know where you have been the last few years - were you on the front lines of the fight like jdege (that man is an inspiration)?

What has occurred in Minnesota is nothing short of seismic. Republican House, Republican Governor (for real), and the passage of a bill that allows average citizens to carry GUNS in public! Granted that my wish list is filled completely either, but you are either Rip Van Winkle or you have an extremely high standards for success.

I think about moving to Texas, too. Better BBQ, good friends, better bag limits, no 35 below zero weather, the only commies are in Austin, real Tex-Mex and many other reasons. Now look at the opposite side - Ann Richards, Austin, the Dixie Chicks, open borders...
10 posted on 05/12/2003 8:01:02 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: cabbieguy
The Minnesota Personal Protection Act, the nation's 35th state right to carry law, takes effect at the end of the month but some DFL lawmakers are already saying they want to repeal the law.

And I want to win the lottery. If wishes were horses then beggers would ride.

11 posted on 05/12/2003 8:28:48 PM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Sorry if you have taken my feelings about the struggle for 2nd ammendment rights the wrong way. I have been a supporter of conceal carry for many years and yes I am very happy to see the bill finally get passed. The problem I see is the anti-gun, media, and others who oppose this bill, and while I think Gov. Pawlenty will hold the line, he is sounding very eager to compromise with those who will water down this legislation. I'm sure you are aware of how the left works, lets just tweak this a little here and a little there, we really aren't anti-gun, we just want to protect the children. Then next year a little tweak here and a little tweak there and before you know it we are back where we were before. I hope I'm wrong, but 64 years of Minnesota politics can destroy one's hope for change.
12 posted on 05/12/2003 8:36:43 PM PDT by cabbieguy (eye suport publik edukashun)
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To: cabbieguy
Come to North Dakota. Lower crime, concealed carry, about the same weather...
13 posted on 05/12/2003 9:46:52 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: cabbieguy
Really, cabbieguy, if it lasts one year, you'll have lower crime stats to cite. People will wake up to the fact that they do not have to be victims. All those 'go girl soccer mom types' like this idea if they think about it, despite the responsibilities involved, it is real empowerment.

The dems like victims, lots of victims, any kind, because a plethora of victims helps advance their nanny-state socialist agenda. Of course they'll fight.

I suppose the last dinosaur tried to put up a scrap, too.

14 posted on 05/12/2003 9:53:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Smokin' Joe
about the same weather... same as siberia. :-)
15 posted on 05/13/2003 4:42:42 AM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: cabbieguy

while I think Gov. Pawlenty will hold the line, he is sounding very eager to compromise

That the Strib thinks that Pawlenty is eager to compromise doesn't mean that he is eager to compromise.

16 posted on 05/13/2003 8:15:49 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Valin
Yep! Keeps the riff-raff out. :^)
17 posted on 05/21/2003 6:19:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: jdege
Let's give the law a chance to work before modifying it. A year or two from now experience will probably persuade legislators to grant more, not less leeway. The lesson of other right to carry states has shown more guns do indeed equal less crime.
18 posted on 05/21/2003 6:23:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Smokin' Joe
One of my brothers live in fargo ((Actually as he says prestigious West Fargo) he says there's nothing between us and the north pole but a snow fence...
and it's down.
19 posted on 05/21/2003 8:58:45 AM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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