President Bush's Boy Feels the Sting of His Boss' Mistake

KeepAndBearArms.com ^ | May 8, 2003 | Sam Cohen

[cynicom]

Always tell a partisan republican when they start whining about who will vote for the dems. You might try some original whine, this one is like so many others here on FR.

[montag813]

I told him that there were a lot of us, that we were dead serious, and that if Bush let the ban get renewed he'd lose the election

Speak for yourself, pal. If the ballot says Bush (R) and Kerry (D), you can be damn sure I vote check the box for Bush. Unlike you (apparently), I remember the damage that 8 years of Clinton did to this nation. The Assault weapons ban cannot match up against the innumberable other freedoms which will be sacficied if the Democrats gain power again.

[NeoCaveman]

Always tell a partisan republican when they start whining about who will vote for the dems. You might try some original whine, this one is like so many others here on FR.

Baloney!

I asked simply, what is your alternative?

I'm all ears. You got a better idea, I'd love to hear it.

[montag813]

So who do you prefer...Dean or Kerry?

Don't waste your time...they prefer winning on "principle" even if the Socialists gain full power.

[Nephi]

His follow-up was that Bush had publicly campaigned on his position of "enforcing existing gun laws," and his position hasn't changed; he was just being consistent. Rove then closed the session and walked off the stage.

That'll go over well with the NASCAR crowd.

[cynicom]

Partisan republicans and partisan democrats walk in the same political rut. There is a slight difference, the dems lean a tad to the left and the pubs lean a mite to the right.

You whiners have a good night. Bwahahahahahahahaha

[NeoCaveman]

You whiners have a good night. Bwahahahahahahahaha

For the THIRD time....What is your solution

I'm all ears!

[montag813]

Ronald Reagan = Jimmy Carter?
Al Gore = Dick Cheney?

Yeah...that's what they believe...really. With this attitude why bother having an election at all? Let's just put Hillary in for 8 years, at the end of which they will be lucky to have the right to own a slingshot...and the SCOTUS she packs will vote with her step-by-step.

[sinkspur]

You whiners have a good night. Bwahahahahahahahaha

Take an extra tablespoon of Metamucil.

[Common Tator]

What the hell is the difference, not a dimes worth.

You just proved Rove's point. Most of the people who feel strongly on this issue did not vote for Bush or Gore either.

What Rove was saying to the author of this diatribe is that he knows you are liars. You did not and will not vote for Bush because you did not and don't see a dimes worth of difference between Bush and Gore. The end result of your position on elections, is your vote does not make a dimes worth of difference in the outcome of an election. Between elections you try to convince politicians that if they just adopted your view you would vote for them. Politicians know that to pick up one vote from people like you, costs 50 other votes. Therefore no politician even needs to be nice to you. He can even pick up a few votes by being very rude to you. Rove was not nice to the author becuase the author of this diatribe will have no effect on the 2004 election.

You are absolutely clueless. You think bluster can influence a pro like Rove. The positions taken by all politicians are designed to get the most votes. If most voters agreed with you, there would be no need to talk to any politian. They would all support and pass into law what you want passed. Since the public does not agree with you, politicians tell you to go hump a tree.

The only thing that influences politial operatives like Rove is votes. And you and your ilk ain't got them.

[rdb3]

I cannot believe anyone is dumb enough to actually believe this remark---then again, after living over 80 years, I have met a lot of dumb people

Right you are, sir. The "not a dime's worth of difference" argument is used by the intellectually lazy.

You should love it
Way more than you hate it
What? You mad?
I thought that you'd be happy I made it...

[sinkspur]

For the THIRD time....What is your solution

Cynical has no solution. He's just a bellyacher. Gripe, complain, bitch, piss-and-moan.

He will NEVER tell you who he supports as an alternative, because he doesn't have one.

He just shoots at anybody who's out there.

IOW, he's not a serious person.

[Newbomb Turk]

I'm a gun ownner too but who ya gonna vote for Hillery ?

No way in hell do I want to go back to a Democrat president over just this one issue important as it is.

We already know the Dems are anti gun.

[sinkspur]

Rove is an incompetent prick. I'd just as soon Bush lose this guy. He damned near cost him the election.

Actually, he didn't. Bush didn't tell Rove about the DUI, which was a truly stupid move on his part.

Rove is responsible for the GOP controlling everything.

Rove's going nowhere, and shouldn't.

[NeoCaveman]

That's why you ask them 3 times. It makes it self-evident that they have no solution.

Frankly I hope the AWB never reaches his desk, but I'll tell any hard-right type if we insist on purity we will be back where we were in '92 and for me that is not an option.

[Ichneumon]

His follow-up was that Bush had publicly campaigned on his position of "enforcing existing gun laws," and his position hasn't changed; he was just being consistent.

HORSE MANURE

The 2004 expiration of the 1994 "assault weapon ban" is part of the "existing gun laws".

No one's faulting Bush for enforcing the present ten-year ban, they're faulting him for saying that he would enact a *NEW* ban (presumably a permanent one) when the old one expires.

Rove is either an idiot, or a bad bald-faced liar, and neither option inspires confidence.

[Princeliberty]

Wrong, the people who are for protecting
the 2nd Amendment were the key to Bush's
election prehaps more than any other group.
And they do care about the assualt weapons
ban being rejected, not just some splinter group.

Politicans don't just follow public
support, otherwise the ban on prayer
in school would have been lifted long ago
and there never would have beeen a fight
on banning partial birth abortion.

And if Rove wants to get some vote
get Bush to protect our borders
if he did that he could get 50
states!

[justshe]

This forum is advertised as a "CONSERVATIVE" forum, not a republican cheerleading section. The partisan pubs want conservative votes but we are to say nothing and ask for nothing. Just vote for anyone they put up front. Really peculiar that they come on here, insult people then turtn around and ask for our votes.

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I notice for all your BS you don't ping the OWNER OF THIS FORUM to get HIS take on your definition of HIS FORUM.

I've seen JimR expound on this subject often. He understands that we need to do everything possible to VOTE OUT THE DEMS.

He understands that the GOP is the only party that stands a chance of turning things around in this country.

He understands that a vote for a third party candidate on a national level is a vote for the Dems.

If I have misrepresented his opinions here, as I have read them in the past, I hope he will correct my perception....AND YOURS, cynicom.

We can do NOTHING without the power in the Senate and the House. That is the #1 goal at this point, imo. This handwringing and 'sky is falling' is NOT productive. You want a President Hillary? Or a President Lieberman....or Kerry...or Edwards?

You honestly think that they wouldn't have your guns locked up, your cars declared illegal, your taxes thru the roof, the federal budget 3 times what it is now, all illegals declared legal, have us as a signatory on the Kyoto Treaty, have us join the International Criminal Court, further the influence of the U.N. on our foreign policy, cut the military, rescind the PBA legislation, establish Universal Health care and further pack the courts with liberal judges?

Yeah.....there's NO difference between the two parties. Right.

[Vision Thing]

GOOD! First, his anger told me that he knew that the hypocritical strategy was dangerous. More importantly, it tells me he'll remember the exchange.

Based on the utter failure of all political operatives who've gone toe-to-toe against Rove, Sam Cohen will probably regret it if Rove remembers their exchange.

Cohen comes up far short of Rove's political savvy, talent, and genius. Whereas Cohen has one narrow pet issue that matters the most to him, Rove knows of all issues that matter the most to the success of his clients.

The smart money is on Rove in this battle. Cohen has no chance.