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Extension of Objectivism discussion regarding the soul
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Posted on 05/08/2003 9:44:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl

On several of the various threads on the general forum which concern Objectivism, which evidently excludes God in definition of objective moral truth, the discussion has turned to the concept of the soul and more specifically, the words used in Scripture to describe the soul and how it has been understood by Jews who first received the Word and studied it for so many centuries.

I promised unspun that I would try to collect information on the various aspects and present it for Freeper discussion. Following is the first draft of that effort with a very rough organization, links and excerpts. Please click on the links for more detail as these articles are “treasure troves” of insight to the subject.

One other point, although this inquiry is directly related to the Objectivism threads and probably ought to be posted on-thread --- the size is prohibitive and thus a new thread is necessary. The result is a thread that is clearly “religious” in terms of forums, but an extension of a prior “general forum” debate. So although I am posting this to the general forum, I would fully understand the moderator choosing to move it to religion forum.

Definitions, putting it in perspective:

How did Spirituality Evolve? - from Evolution by Prof. Salomon Kapach

One difficult question which evolutionists will have to face is the question of spirituality. How will they explain the vital force of the spirit, the psyche, free will, and the soul? What adaptation could cause one's spirit to evolve? At what evolutionary stage does a soul mingle with flesh and blood? How is "mind over matter" achieved?

These questions and others have forced evolutionists to deceive themselves, contending that souls do not exist. However, since the declaration that souls don't exist (or basically that anything non- observable is non-existent) is an illogical claim (and at the very least an unsubstantiated one) some scientists who believe in the theory of evolution have taken recourse in various outlandish, even humorous, assertions.

One historic experiment endeavored to scientifically test and prove or disprove the existence of the soul. In the conclusions of the renowned zoologist who conducted the experiment, the following observation appeared: "I have disected thousands of corpses, but never once found a soul." No doubt, even a thousand vivisections would not have proven any more useful in finding a soul…

Whatever various claims may have been made by individuals to attempt to fill the void, the simple fact remains that science does not begin to pretend to have concrete answers to the many mysteries of spirituality vs. matter, regardless of the prejudices of more than a few scientists on the issue.

On the other hand, one should note that Judaism does address the issues. Midrashic and Kabbalistic sources consider the nefesh, ruach, and neshama (psyche, spirit, and soul) to be three separate entities which, although linked one to another and sharing a common origin, are nonetheless distinct one from the other. Once we cease to view the spirit and the soul as evolutionary spin-offs of the brain, and realize that they exist separately, many questions are solved.

Generally, we expect the working assumptions of scientists to be those which solve the most riddles. But it would seem now that the riddle which needs most to be solved is why so many scientists and thinkers, contrary to that rule of thumb, have adopted a working assumption which does not solve any riddles in this most critical of all areas of research, and quite the contrary, turns clarity into mystery, and significance into void

Afterlife by Ilil Arbel, Ph.D.

A human being on earth unites two parts -- a body and a soul. Each part is extremely complex in structure and consists of multiple components. While the body's structure is reasonably well understood, the structure of the soul is a mystery many tried to analyze. One Talmudic opinion divides it into three major segments:

Nefesh: the lower, animal part, related to the instincts and to the reactions of the body.

Ruach: the spirit, or the middle soul, linked to the understanding of morality and the ability to differentiate between good and evil.

Neshama: the higher soul, linked to the intellect, and separating humanity from all other life forms. It allows the person to be aware of God, and to participate in the afterlife.

According to the Zohar, which leans toward a mystical view of the universe, two additional soul parts may be developed by very few, select individuals who have the capacity of sublime levels of intuitive cognition:

Chayyah -- the part of the soul that is aware of the divine life force.

Yehidah -- the highest part of the soul, capable of achieving full union with God.

When the body dies, the soul components come apart, and each segment follows a separate road. The lower parts must undergo purification; the higher parts aim to join with God. Nefesh remains with the body for about twelve months, guarding the grave and occasionally roaming the earth for the purpose of learning. Ruach goes to Gehinnom (Purgatory), to purge itself from the sins the person committed in life, and prepare for the future life of the soul. Neshama goes to the lower Gan Eden (Paradise), Chayyah and Yehida return to Upper Gan Eden.

The Order of Realization by: David S. Devor

It can be said that any essence or entity (including a soul) consists of the substance of which it is made together with the "light" or "spirit" with which that substance is imbued and which sustains that entity's existence. It is this light or spirit, for instance, that distinguishes between a living person and a corpse. A corpse, on the other hand, has its own existence and, depending on the level of its decay, has its own quality of light. This is similarly true of the dust to which it will eventually be reduced.

Besides its technical meaning in the hierarchy of the five levels, "soul" is also the generic term for the "inner part" or "light" or "heart" or "center of gravity" of any entity. This usage is particularly appropriate since the technical term "soul" (Neshama) is the middle one or the "heart" of the hierarchy we'll now examine.

There are many types of nomenclature for the five levels or aspects of "soul" depending on the context but the main one is:

5. Yechida (unity/individuality)*
4. Chaya (eternal life)*
3. Neshama (soul)
2. Ruach (spirit)
1. Nefesh (animus)*
'Roots' Jewish Style

The human soul, or Neshama, much like the human body, is a complex entity that is subdivided into various parts. The highest part, the origin of the entire entity, is referred to by the name of the whole and is called Neshama. This part of the soul is described in Jewish tradition as being a part of God Himself. It is from this contact point of the Neshama with God that we originate spiritually, and it is through this part of the human soul that we can connect ourselves back to God. As God is a metaphysical being who can only be accessed through the realm of thoughts and ideas, the Neshama connects us back to Him by generating the thoughts and perceptions that we human beings require to be able to understand God. The vessel that traps the Divine light generated by the connection of the Neshama to God is the human mind.

The next part of the Neshama is referred to as the Ruach, or the human spirit. Our perception of the purpose of life and the basic elements of our characters are generated by this part of our souls. The Ruach takes the ideas produced in the mind by the contact of the Neshama with Divinity and applies them to formulate the conceptual structure on which we construct our lives and shapes the character of our interaction with the outside world. The vessel that receives the Divine light generated by the Ruach is the human heart.

The lowest part of the human soul is called the Nefesh. The Nefesh is the only part of the soul that is actually contained in our bodies. The Nefesh is the life force, the energy and joy of life that course through us. The vessel that traps the Divine light of the Nefesh which is provided by the contact of the Ruach with the Neshama is the blood that circulates through our bodies and generates the life force required by our limbs. The focus of its power is in the liver, the body's laboratory for processing blood.

Through the Torah one Word at a time

Kabbalistically- the soul is described as 'comprising' five levels of consciousness-experience.

The second one is referred to as RUACH. The levels are:

Nefesh-connected with physicality.,' that which animates existence in terms of life force, it acts as the source of human's capacity to think, to imagine, to dream, to contemplate." Corresponds to Olam HaAssiya-World of Doing.

RUACH-"above the primal soul, there exists in every human being, a divine soul. This is the first spark of consciousness beyond that of the zoological species, beyond even the consciousness of higher or more developed animal, and is directly connected to divine essence...It exists in each and every individual being, hidden and veiled as a spark of a higher perception, of a superior aspiration, and touches the higher level, which is Spirit." (Steinsaltz, 13 Petalled Rose , p. 57)

Corresponds to Olam HaYetzira: World of Formation Neshama: (breath, soul) -"higher awareness, defining quality of human consciousness. Zohar-"The nefesh and the ruach intertwine together, while the neshama resides in a person's character. This is an abode which cannot be discovered or located. Should a person strive toward purity in life, he or she is aided by a holy neshama. But should the person not strive for righteousness and purity of life, this person is animated only by two grades: nefesh and ruach." (Zohar:83b, quoted in God is a Verb, David Cooper. p.98)

Corresponds to Olam HaBriya: Word of Creation Chaya:(living essence)-"we gain awareness of this level only when we enter altered states. In those rare moments when we experience oceanic unity and a bright light of pure oneness, we are tapping into chaya consciousness" Cooper, p. 99)

Corresponds with Olam HaAtzilut:World of Emanation Yechida:(unity)"center point of the soul and it disapppears into the infinitude of creation...the aspect of the soul that is hardwired directly into the essence of the Divine. It is not 'with' us, but we are never apart from it...where duality dissolves"(Cooper, p.99) One 'goal' of spiritual practice is to experience the fullness of our being. As we grow spiritually we learn to integrate more of and open more to our "Divine' self. Climbing the ladder of our soul as it were.

Exploring Theological Myths - Different ways of looking at traditional beliefs.

Rabbi Jeremy Rosen – Do we have Souls?

'They called the soul by five names. Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama, Yechida, Chaya. Nefesh is blood... Ruach is the spirit that rises and descends...Neshama is the personality of a person... Chaya, even if all the limbs are dead, it still survives in the body... Yechida, all limbs are in pairs but this one it remains unique.' ...

In the Torah we will see several different words used to describe soul or spirit. The rabbis added even more words. And yet the assumptions that have been handed down can be and in practice are challenged and varied throughout both the Bible and the Talmud.

There are three main words used in the Torah for what we call 'soul'. The first is 'ruach', spirit, which appears initially as another word to describe the presence of God 'And the spirit of YHVH was hovering over the deep'. Some commentators suggest that God caused a wind to blow, like the one that divided the Red Sea for the Israelites. But most take this to mean the Shechina, the presence of God. Since God cannot be confined to any place or said to be in any one place, the rabbis devised a way of talking about the presence of God without it implying the totality of His Being. This is the Shechina, the presence, literally it means ' The Dwelling' or 'Where She is ', the place where God has chosen to have an impact. It does not have an independent reality or function in the way that ' The Holy Spirit' is often thought of. Later on, when talking about the flood, the Torah says that God will destroy ' All flesh that has the spirit of life ' using the same word, 'ruach' . So the word ruach, is applied both to God and to all living creatures as though it is a common link. There is an altogether different use of 'ruach' to describe a human passion . Firstly, when Jacob hears that his son Joseph is alive the Torah says that ' His heart ' missed a beat ' or fainted because he did not believe them ' but then when he is reassured ' his soul ( ruach) comes alive again.' There 'ruach' means his spirit as an aspect of his personality, state of mind. When describing the jealous husband who suspects his wife of infidelity the Torah says that a ' spirit of jealousy overcomes him' and the term used for this feeling is ' ruach ' . This only underlines the ambiguity of the word.

The second word for 'soul' is ' nefesh', as in ' 'And YHVH said Let the earth produce all kinds of living souls, animals, reptiles and beasts, and it was so ' . And when forbidding the Israelites to drink blood, the Torah says ' For the life of a person ( nefesh ) is in the blood ' . Nefesh is the word used almost interchangeably with 'adam' , a person, to describe a human who comes to bring a sacrifice in the book of Leviticus . Significantly, when the Torah institutes the law of fasting on Yom Kippur, the term it uses is ' Afflicting your souls' using the word nefesh . When the affliction referred to could simply be fasting, a physical act, in this context it is clearly meant to have penitentiary and therefore spiritual connotations as well.So this is a clear indication of the dual role of 'nefesh'. Throughout the Torah, the words 'nefesh' and 'ruach' seem to be used in similar situations with a heavily spiritual content, nevertheless, both are applied to ' All living beings', animal as well as human.

The third word for 'soul' and the one that in the Torah ( but not in rabbinic literature ) is only used of humans, is the word ' neshama'. 'And YHVH Elohim said formed man from the dust of the ground and He breathed into his nostrils the breath ( soul ) of life.' But this breath of life does not mean that it is automatically 'good'. And so later on in the Torah, when talking about Cannanite tribes that have to be destroyed because of their corruption and the threat they present to the newcomers, the word 'neshama' is used simply to mean all living humans. 'Do not let any breathing being ( neshama ) live.'

The Torah also uses the words ' neshama' and 'ruach' together describing the destruction of life by the flood, ' Everything that had the breath of the spirit of life ( nishmat ruach ) in its nostrils that was on dry land, died ' . So the distinction between the way the two words are used is blurred and ambiguous as to whether it applies to all life or only human life...

Symbolisms:

Five Levels of the Soul -- Inverted Seal - The Jewish Home

The five levels of the soul are called nefesh, ruach, neshama, chaya, yechida. The yechida reflects itself in the nefesh. This is revealed in the relation between Mashiach and King David. Each of the five levels of the soul correspond to a general soul root. The Arizal explains that the general soul root of the nefesh in all of Am Yisrael is King David. The ruach is the prophet, Elijah. The neshama, which is the mind, mochin d'Imma, is Moses, as stated in the Gemorah that Moses merited binah. The chaya corresponds to the ideal and primordial, blissful state of Adam and Eve before the sin. Had Adam stood that trial successfully, he would have risen to the level of yechida. Since he failed the trial he fell from all the levels of Olam ha'Atzilut. The highest level, yechida, is that of Mashiach, may he become revealed speedily in our days.

Nefesh - King David
Ruach – Elijah
Neshama – Moses
Chaya - Adam and Eve
Yechida – Mashiach

Parshas HaShavua

Man must relate to three aspects of life - his G-d, his world, and his very self.

These three dimensions are reflected in the three different parts of his soul - Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama. The Nefesh is known as 'Shituffa D'Guffa' - a partner of the body, the forces that man utilizes in his relationship to the world around him. The Neshama is the most exalted element of his being, and it remains eternally in heaven, relating to the G-d of creation. The Ruach is that part of man known as 'I' - man as he is meant to be.

These three elements are meant to be perfected, and with them the world arrives at its intended destination. It is only by refining these three aspects of his character that man becomes an appropriate vehicle to express the word of G-d.

This is the perfect 'Asher' - the world connected to G-d, approved and assured by heaven, and guaranteed to fulfill its mandate of destiny.

This concept finds expression in two seemingly disparate ideas - the prayer of 'VaYechulu' recited every Friday evening, and the Parsha of Parah Adumah, the purification from sin, death, and defilement.

Parshas Emor – Candles

Physical desires are not as physical as we think. Obviously, they are not an integral part of the body as an arm or a leg, as we see that after the spirit departs the body no longer craves food. Desire, in fact, is an expression of the life force the Creator implanted within our bodies, the Nefesh, that craves sustenance and pleasure. Even its gratification is not from the physical world itself; by eating we seperate the spiritual elements in the food from their physical shells: spirit touches spirit and dust returns to dust.

A higher part of our being is the spirit, the Ruach, which is the district of the emotions, where love, hate, anger, accomplishment and other sentiments all dwell side by side. Like a candle the Nefesh and the Ruach constantly fluctuate, craving, being depressed, sometimes both, and most often - all of them and then some. The initials of Nefesh and Ruach together even spell the word Ner, a candle.

In the Tabernacle, right outside the innermost chamber, there were candles constantly. In the morning they were extinguished and prepared for the evening when they would be lit till the next morning. Although candles constantly fluctuate, by placing them perpetually adjacent to the Holy of Holies, the Neshama of the Sanctuary, they acquired a certain degree of permanence. Miraculously the six side candles, which represented the Ruach, all faced the middle candle which represented the Nefesh.

Indeed, so essential is the Nefesh that right next to the candelabra was the table on which the Show-bread were placed. Unlike regular bread which is limited by the constraints of time and space, these loaves stayed piping fresh all week long. Although many Kohanim shared them, they all became full after eating a mere morsel, because the little bit of physicality in them was packed with satiation. It was not a physical satiation. It was the Nefesh receiving sustenance from the holy Name Lechem, which amounts to the numerical equivalent of three different punctuations of the Tetragrammaton, and is an expression of Hashem's Simple Will to Give.

Although we no longer have those holy loaves, their spiritual source still exists, and anyone who eats regular bread with the intention with which the Kohanim ate the Show-bread can tap into that holy Source of sustenance. When we light Shabbos candles and watch them flicker, we can watch our spirits flicker and dance to that Holy Light.

A more detailed look at the soul and sin:

The Soul - Part Four - To Catch a Thief

Let us selectively extract the information we learned in previous articles to orient ourselves properly towards the present discussion. The soul is made up of Naran, an acronym for Nefesh, Ruach and Neshama. Its source is in Azilut, where it is called Knesset Yisroel, which is also the Shechina, a name for the Divine Presence, the reason why the soul is called a part of God. (Responsa, Chavot Yair,210) Each of these soul parts is independently self-conscious and is subdivided into ten constituent sub-parts joined together according to the pattern of the Ten Sefirot from Keter to Malchut (see Soul #3 hyperlink). Each represents the human being in one of the four levels of reality; the human being of Azilut is called Knesset Yisroel; of Briah he is called Neshama; of Yezira he is called Ruach; and of Assiyah he is called Nefesh.

The most efficient way to tackle our present topic is to state a set of conclusions concerning reality constructed on these axioms, and only then explain how we fit into this reality as spiritual beings. Without a glimpse of the overall picture, even though at this early stage in our understanding of Kabbalah it can only be poorly understood, it will be difficult to unravel the tapestry of knowledge into individual threads.

Beginning at the conclusion

1. Nine of the ten Sefirot of the lowest part of the soul called Nefesh are detachable from their attachment to the higher part of the soul called Ruach by a process referred to in the Torah as Karet, excision.

2. There are different degrees of Karet. The most severe form has the effect of detaching nine Sefirot of the Nefesh from the Ruach, starting with Chachma and ending with Malchut, while the mildest form of Karet will detach only the bottommost level of the Nefesh, the Malchut of the Nefesh, leaving the remainder of the Sefirot of the Nefesh attached to the Ruach.

3. The levels of the Nefesh that are so detached are trapped by the forces known as Klipot who draw their life force from detached Nefoshot.

4. The highest portion of the Nefesh, the Keter of the Nefesh, can never be detached from the Ruach, because the Keter of the Nefesh is also the lowest Sefira of the Ruach, known as the Malchut of the Ruach. The parts of the soul are held together like the links of a chain. The Keter of every lower level functions as the Malchut of the level above it. The Keter of Nefesh is the Malchut of Ruach; the Keter of Ruach is the Malchut of Neshama; the Keter of Neshama is the Malchut of Knesset Yiroel.

5. Because this highest Sefira of the Nefesh cannot be detached, the parts that were severed by the Karet can always be rescued from the Kelipot and reattached to the Keter and thus to the Ruach once again through Teshuva, or repentance. Teshuva draws a bright spiritual light from the source of the Neshama in Azilut, which flows through the Neshama, passes from the Neshama through the Ruach until it enters the Malchut of Ruach, which is also the Keter of the Nefesh. The intense light that is generated in the Keter of the Nefesh cuts through the Klipot, and reattaches the severed Sefirot of the Nefesh back to itself, and as the Keter of the Nefesh is also the Malchut of the Ruach, the Karet is healed and the Nefesh and the Ruach are once again joined together.

6. Sins have the very reverse effect on the opposite extremity of the soul, the Neshama. The top nine Sefirot of the Neshama are detached from the Malchut of the Neshama, which is the Keter of the Ruach by certain types of sins. Again, the link between the Neshama and the Ruach can never be completely severed, as the top Sefira of the Ruach is also the bottom Sefira of the Neshama; the potential for healing the break is always in place.

7. As in the case of the Nefesh, the detachment of the Neshama from the Ruach is not an all or nothing proposition; not all nine levels will necessarily detach. The most severe form of detachment drives away the nine top levels of Neshama from their connection with the Ruach, from the Yesod to the Keter of the Neshama, while the mildest form of detachment will involve the separation of the level of Keter alone.

8. When the Neshama detaches from the Ruach it returns to Kneset Yisroel, its roots, the source of the Neshama in Azilut, where it is once again a portion of the Divinity itself.

9. The Ruach is the only portion of the soul that cannot detach from the rest. This prompted the Gaon of Vilna to declare that the true spiritual level of living human beings is the Ruach. The Neshama is above us and the Nefesh is beneath us. Each tugs at the Ruach in opposite directions, and it is on the level of the Ruach that we choose the overall direction of our spiritual development. But while the Ruach is unable to detach, certain sins have the effect of causing it to contract and shrink, reducing its effectiveness as a passageway that connects the Nefesh with the Neshama.

10. The healthy integrated soul is an expression of the Shechina. The Nefesh in the body connects to the Ruach; the Ruach connects to the Neshama; the Neshama connects to Knesset Yisroel, the Shechina; the spiritual light emanating from the Shechina flows all the way down to the Nefesh unimpeded and is expressed by the actions of the body as the light of God in the world.

These are the points that we shall spend the next few essays developing. There is far too much to learn to be able to include everything we need to understand all these conclusions in a single essay. Nevertheless, it is essential to focus on the entire picture as summed up in these ten points to be able to comprehend the detailed dynamics of spiritual functions.

What do souls look like? - by Rabbi Noson Weisz

To comprehend the structure of the soul, we need to begin by describing how reality itself is structured.

We live in a created universe. This means that God created the universe out of nothing. When God initiated the creation process, there was no space or time, no matter or energy [other than God's own, needless to say]. He could not fashion the universe out of pre-existing materials.

It follows that the universe is actually made of pure Divine energy, the only 'substance' that was available for God to use. This is an important point to establish and one whose implications are far from obvious at first glance…

The separation of Divine energy from its origins is described as speech. The curtain that brings about this first level of separation is known as Briah. In the world of Briah man is called a Neshama, Soul. He has already crystallized out of the composite man of Knesset Yisroel into individual form, indeed, he is even male and female, but on this level of Briah, man is male and female as a single entity; his male and female parts have not coalesced into separately identifiable elements. So God created (Vayivrah-from the word barah) Man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1,27)

From the level of Briah and outward man exists as an individual. As this level is just across the curtain from Azilut, the human being of Briah is aware of himself/herself as just having separated from Knesset Yisroel, from the collective human being whose energy of being was still a part of God. Man as Neshama is totally conscious of his Divine origins and cannot imagine himself either as existing without God, nor as existing separately from his male/female element. At this level man has no evil inclination or aspect and he has no freedom of choice.

Yezirah and its human inhabitant

As the Divine energy continues to flow outward from the source, a second curtain descends. Reality on the outer side of this second curtain is known as the world of Yezirah, "creative thought" in English, and man exists in this world as a Ruach, a pure spirit. It is at this level of Yezirah that he is separated into separate sexes and he makes contact with the world of his body, although the body itself does not exist in Yezirah and is located on the other side of the next curtain, where the outward flow of divine energy takes on material shape. And YHVH God, formed (Vayizer-from the word Yezirah) the man of dust from the ground, and he blew into his nostrils the soul (Nishmat-from the word Neshama) of life, and man became a living being. (Genesis 2,7) In the succeeding verses the separation of Eve from Adam is described…

Assiyah-our own world and our familiar selves

As the divine energy continues its flow outward from the source a final curtain descends. The world on the other side of this curtain is known as the world of Assiyah, meaning "completed action"; the world which we are actually conscious of inhabiting. In this world man is a Nefesh, a life force or energizing spirit, and he also has a body.

It is here that things begin to get rather more complex. The Nefesh that is an appendage of the Ruach is as spiritual as the rest of the human soul from which it stems. It is the outermost part of man's Neshama after all. Man's body on the other hand is purely material and non-spiritual. There can be no direct union between body and spirit. Entities that are diametric opposites are unable to stick to each other on a permanent bases. The union of body and pure spirit is analogous to a union between fire and water.

The shotgun marriage between two opposites

To solve this problem, man was given a second Nefesh as well to mediate between his body and the Nefesh that is the outer aspect of his Neshama. This second Nefesh is called the Nefesh Habahamith or the animate nefesh; it is what we know as the life force.

It is this animate Nefesh that is described in the Torah as being attached to the blood. Any man of the House of Israel and of the proselyte who dwells among them who will consume any blood-I shall concentrate My attention upon the soul (Nefesh) consuming the blood, and I will cut it off from its people. For the soul (Nefesh) of the flesh is in the blood and I have assigned it for you upon the Altar to provide atonement for your souls(Nefashot-Nefesh in the plural) for it is the blood that atones for the soul (Nefesh) (Vayikra 17, 10-11)

The part of the Nefesh that is attached to the Ruach is called the Nefesh Elokhit (The Divine or Godly Nefesh). This Nefesh Elokhit is wrapped into the Nefesh Habehamith which is the life force that powers the body. It is through the mediation of the envelope of the Nefesh habehamith that the Nefesh Elokhit attaches itself to the body.

This means that man is in a state of ceaseless existential conflict in the world of Assiyah. There are two Nefashot inhabiting his body in this world and they are both intelligent. The Nefesh Habehamith is still somewhat spiritual otherwise it could never mediate between the body and the Nefesh Elokhit. At the same time, as the Nefesh Habehamith is directly attached to the physical world of the body and is the life force that energizes that body, it is drawn to do a superior job and provide the body with the ultimate sensations of physical pleasure which bequeath the body with its sense of being alive. The Nefesh Elokhit which is enveloped in this Nefesh Habahamith but is purely spiritual and connected to the Ruach in Yezirah, and through the Ruach to the Neshama and above is always attempting to pull the entire organism of man away from the body towards the Neshama.

These may be on the fringe:

The Arizal on the Torah

The letters of the divine name Havayah, the five principle partzufim, the five worlds, the five "kingdoms" or levels of life in this world, the five levels of the soul, and the five aspects of the sacrifices all correspond and are summarized in the chart…

Healing the Vessel: A Conference on Jewish Healing - June 7-8, 2003

Breathing into Wholeness - Jeffrey Kessler

The breath carries the current of life throughout our bodies, feelings and thoughts, and is a natural vehicle for the integration and healing of fragmented aspects of our being. The Hebrew language points to the primacy of breath by naming the different levels of soul with breath-words: nefesh, ruach, neshama. In this workshop we will explore and expand the range of our breathing through gentle movement, chant and meditation. Our aim will be to encourage wholeness while turning and opening to the Divine Presence.



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To: Alamo-Girl
BTW, I haven't called you a mystic or a dualist, A-G. I don't believe you really are.
241 posted on 05/14/2003 8:15:17 PM PDT by unspun (love the LORD with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, all your mind)
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To: kkindt
It doesn't matter what we think about our soul/body existence in terms of the reality of it - it is the way God describes it whether we accept this truth or not.

I think our awareness of our souls existence leads us to awareness of God's existence. It is in truth true whether we accept it or not. But it's there waiting for us to work it.

I agree with the rest of what you wrote. If a soul can inhabit a gross material body, the body can become the material of the soul. It's all the same universe, inward and outward.

242 posted on 05/14/2003 8:22:53 PM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: Kudsman
Thank you so much for sharing your reactions as you explore these subjects and for sharing your insight and analysis! Hugs!!!

We clearly agree on the power of love to cast out fear!

Dear I have to take exception with this: two people living under a civil agreement at law (which ought be dissolved IMHO FWIW.) It has been my pleasure to meet and cohabitate with my angel before committing to her for life. For no matter how I felt about her after our first meeting I had to allow her the comfort of the times. I had to let her learn to trust and love me. The same can be said about my converting from Methodist to Catholic faith 5 years ago and experiencing my renewed love. My spirituality flourishes. All will to be obiedient. Love.

Congratulations! May God richly bless you!!!

I should have explained my statement better. To sum it up, I am saying that God is the one who makes the marriage. He was marrying couples long before there were any laws, Jewish priests, Catholic priests, Baptist preachers or civil authorities.

If the marriage is of God, the parties know it and would not deign to break it. If the marriage is of man, IMHO FWIW, it isn’t worth the paper it is written on and ought be dissolved (in favor of submitting to His will instead of self-will.)

243 posted on 05/14/2003 8:23:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
If you consider yourself a cynic, perhaps it's because you have no taste for the currently fashionable doctrines (which, to use the language of Elizabeth Newman -- see link that unspun put up) are universalist and hegemonic. I have no use for them either, thank you.

No, thank you fair lady. Uhoh. I'm starting to learn something about myself here in regards to time and truth. Me a cynic? Could I be so bold as to offer you a hug also?

244 posted on 05/14/2003 8:31:50 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: unspun
one I trust I will always take. Oh my Sir you are good.
245 posted on 05/14/2003 8:34:53 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
And do question marks appear for other characters, when I use "Opera v. 7.11?"
246 posted on 05/14/2003 8:42:40 PM PDT by unspun (love the LORD with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, all your mind)
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To: Alamo-Girl
To sum it up, I am saying that God is the one who makes the marriage. He was marrying couples long before there were any laws, Jewish priests, Catholic priests, Baptist preachers or civil authorities

Agreed. And I'm sorry I could have explained mine better also. When I spoke, "committing to her for life , I was speaking of man law (paper) marriage. The depth of my commitment to her, I already knew. Love.

247 posted on 05/14/2003 9:45:07 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Sometimes I just like to cut to the chase - so to speak. It's like a shock and awe method. Some people need to be jarred into reality. Most of them will read the articles because they're curious. My message will hopefully prick that curiousity.

I learned the 3 names in Greek. Let's see if I can remember them; pneuma is the spirit, psuche (where we get our psyche) is the soul, and soma is the flesh (or body). I think that's right!

I always thought it was interesting that GOD wrote the Old Testament in Hebrew (the language of the Jews), and the New Testament in Greek (the language of the believers). I love the Greek because it is such a flowery and expressive language.

In Greek, the word for salvation means: safety, soundness, preservation, healing, deliverance and provision. Looks like GOD provided a boatload of benefits for those who have received Jesus as Savior. What a good GOD.
248 posted on 05/14/2003 9:49:14 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for your post! Please do not think that I have any “power of intellect” – my mind is no better or worse than anyone else’s. And thank you for not tagging me with a label.

Concerning Adam and Eve, you said:

Quite evident that Adam and Eve were warned not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But did they know when God was visiting them compared to when He wasn't? When He was, do you suppose they drew perceptions of God's presence vs. when He was not so present? And why did God warn them not to eat of this fruit? And from the rest of the Scriptures, do you believe God was deeply saddened, when they did, or that He had the feelings that one has when he sees his plan coming together?

Genesis 2 and forward indicates that they knew His presence, knew Him and were “aware” of themselves. It also indicates they thought they could “hide” from Him. Perhaps they reasoned that they could “get away with it.” Are you suggesting that God lead them to believe they could “hide” as part of a temptation, i.e. leaving a yummy looking tree with explicit instructions not to eat therefrom?

The temptation may have been part of communicating His will to Adam and Eve (obedience doesn’t exist without willfulness) - but in no way do I conclude that He is pleased they disobeyed or that it was His plan from the beginning that they should disobey so that He could sentence them to mortality, etc. To the contrary, Adam and Eve were eternal beings in the paradise garden of Eden. They were outside of space/time and thus not a point on a timeline for such planning or predestination.

Your questions about messenger and message are answered in the Word. Christ is the Word made flesh. And in addition to the Word, He has given us the Holy Spirit to learn:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. – John 1:14

But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. – John 14:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. – John 15:26-27

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: - John 16:7-8

Yes, I believe the angels were aware of themselves before Lucifer hit the skids and likewise that Adam and Eve were self-aware before being tempted. My point is not that they were “aware” of themselves but that they choose their own interests over God’s. That is willfulness in the first definition of the term.

If our purpose is sandwiched between God's purposes and His dominion (and His expressed purposes are for us to obey Him by taking dominion of the lower order in His name) is He trusting us for acting in ways that He prefers to enjoy by watching, rather than enacting our behavior Himself? (What did He tell Adam and Eve, before the fall about such things?)

The Scriptures are rather straight-forward on the purpose of delegating authority within His dominion. Christ explains it in the parable of the talents:

For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made [them] other five talents. And likewise he that [had received] two, he also gained other two But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, [thou] good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, [there] thou hast [that is] thine. His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and [then] at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Take therefore the talent from him, and give [it] unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 25:14-30

You continued the thought with this paragraph:

There are times when we may be so engaged with God that we may act according to the movements of His very soul. Do you also suppose that the Father wants his sons to act by observing Him at work in our surroundings and taking on such jobs as His learned son apprentices? Do you suppose that the Bridegroom would want to have a bride that dresses herself in the way she may wisely perceive to be most beautiful for Him (since she has empathy with him) or does the groom dress the bride?

With regard to the dressing of the Bride of Christ, it is indeed given to her as the righteousness of the saints. Her duty is make herself ready.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. – Revelation 19:7-8

With regard to the learned son apprentice taking on jobs by observing God work in our surroundings, I wonder how a human can observe God “work” and if he could, how he could deduce from that the will of God for his life. It seems to me the better approach would be for the apprentice to seek out God’s will for himself and then do that - no more and no less. I base this on the Scriptures concerning gifts of the Spirit in I Corinthians 12. For instance, not everyone has the gift of an evangelist. Determination alone is not adequate to make one an effective evangelist and a well-intentioned person could do more harm than good by trying to be something other than God’s will for him.

You asked about the term Ayn Sof - it is the Kabbalist description and equation, for God, at the beginning:

Carlo Suares: Revived Qabala: Sepher Yetsira (Yetzirah) Lexicon: Ayn-Sof (Ein-Sof) / Nothingness /

Before meeting the text we must throw some light on AynSof (Aleph-Yod-Noun-Sammekh-Waw-Phay) and Aur Aëlion. Addressing itself to cabalists, The Sepher Yetsira (Yetzirah) leaves out the equations of pre-structured energy known to them, but which do not enter the sphere of Yotser, or formation. As it is our intention to explain the cabalistic mentality to the general public, the equations must be examined before going on to a translation that would otherwise be lacking in its essential basis.

The ten Sephirot are transformers of energy, breaking it down until it becomes completely materialised. As a preliminary to this structuring of energy, the Qabala recognises two double equations of infinite energy: Ayn-Sof and Aur-Aëlion. In Hebrew Ayn-Sof means "without end," or "infinite," and Aur-Aëlion means "light," the highest or uplifted state of mind.

Read according to the code, the two double equations disclose the fundamental postulates of the Qabala, and contain an epitome of the whole.

Ayn-Sof. Ayn: Aleph-Yod-Noun (1.10.700) is a negation in Hebrew: "There is not." Strangely, this equation, on the contrary, expresses the whole, because it consists of Aleph and Yod, which are intemporal energy and its temporal projection: that is to say, the two partners in this interplay of cosmic life, death and existence. However, it is understandable why, due to the sense-based origin of the vulgate, Ayn is a negation. Noun final (700) which defines the stake of the cosmic part as being the Principle of Indetermination is an irresoluteness, an openness to all possibilities, to all that can come about unforeseen, beyond thought, from the not yet created: that is to say, to all that is still non-existent. This extraordinary abundance of freedom is a whirlpool of nothingness for the psyche (which feels in its element only through the familiar or the past). Ayn originates the metaphysical: "God created the world ex nihilo."

Read in full, Aleph (Aleph-Lammed-Phay: 1.30.80), Yod (Yod-Waw-Dallet: 10.6.4) and Noun (Noun-Noun: 50.700) show that the action of Aleph is to confer an organic movement (30) upon undifferentiated energy (80); that existence expressed by Yod is a fertilising (6) of opposing life (4); and that the life-in-existence of Noun (50) results in the freedom of the indeterminate (700).

Sof (Sammekh-Waw-Phay: 60.6.80) repeats and completes Ayn by the introduction of Sammekh (60) which, according to the code, is centripetal, fertilising energy. Sof is a double energy: centripetal by Sammekh and centrifugal by Waw (which evolve into female and male). These two contrary energies highlight the Phay (80) which was discovered in 4yn only when opening out Aleph (Aleph-Lammed-Phay). In short, Ayn is an anatomical equation which lays down the three elements of prime importance in this mode of thinking - Aleph-Yod-Noun final. Sof is a biological equation expressing the setting in motion of differentiated energy, Phay (80) , by two thrusts. One of them, Sammekh, picks up energy in the cellular centre, and the other, Waw, emanates from the centre and projects itself to the outside.


249 posted on 05/14/2003 10:09:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Kudsman
I'm glad we are in agreement on that point! Peace and love in Christ!
250 posted on 05/14/2003 10:12:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CyberAnt
Thank you so much for the Greek language insight! And I absolutely agree that God is good and has abundantly blessed us! Praise God!!!

IMHO, the Hebrew language is engaging all on its own. I probably am drawn to it because it has an almost numeric quality. And I agree with you on the beauty of the Greek language. Sigh... I'm not fluent at either one, just struggle one word at a time to uncover meaning.

251 posted on 05/14/2003 10:18:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
... refereed and umpired according to the preferences/needs of a self-appointed elect, "expert, higher intelligences" who seem to think they are fit to rule the rest of us, and have the power of political coercion to back up their collective usurpation of the dignity of the rest of us. Their goal seems to be self-gratification and/or some other sort of personal gain in the usual case.

Actually, these folks remind one of Plato's "Philosopher Kings," who consider most people to be of the "bronze" variety. The "silver" would probably be counted among the various activists and lawyers who push these things through the courts and legislatures....

Interestingly, Plato realized that his suggested order would have to be based on the "Noble Lie" that the gods have anointed individuals into the various classes of society. The point of it was to convince people to accept their place as a divine assignment. This is basically identical to the "poltically useful" ideas you've described.

This takes us back to the thread from which this one sprouted, concerning Rand's objectivist claims. Those, too, depend on a noble lie, to the effect that Rand's "highest moral goals" are truly objective, and as such we must follow them. (Of course they're not objective at all -- but hey, she had to start someplace, right?)

252 posted on 05/15/2003 7:08:38 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Alamo-Girl
So... how 'bout them Cubs?

Thanks for your very thoughtful answers and info. (BTW, maybe we can start a thread some time on the many kinds and levels of traits such as "intelligence," etc.)

You have a way of proving the expansion of the universe. ;-) I'm guilty of that too -- but you tend to be more kind to be "explicative." I may not be able to do your reply justice for a day or so (presuming I can do it justice).

253 posted on 05/15/2003 7:16:10 AM PDT by unspun (love the LORD with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, all your mind)
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for your post! I eagerly await your explication! And, er, what did the Cubs do? Sorry to say I rarely read the sports section these days.

Unspun, I awoke this morning feeling uneasy about my post to you last night. I’m concerned I may have come across as snippy and if I did, please accept my apology – that was not my intent. Truly, I should never attempt a reply to something that important and penetrating (your questions were superb) – without some shut-eye first.

I’m not sure what you mean by: You have a way of proving the expansion of the universe. Did you want me to post something to support that?

A new thread on traits such as “intelligence” is a good idea. You might want to see if Freeper cornelis, betty boop, Phaedrus or logos would have something handy to initiate such a discussion.

254 posted on 05/15/2003 7:36:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
In Romans 5 and 6, Paul goes through a similar analysis with regard to the law

You know, I almost launched into exactly the same discussion yesterday.

This (and also BB's and my discussion about Judas) is a great example having a common moral baseline (the Bible). The existence of such an agreed-upon foundation has enormous and far-reaching consequences -- such as, for example, enabling the Constitutional system we now enjoy (cf. John Adams' comment about it being "wholly inadequate" for any but a moral and religious people).

The libertarians, with their theories of a "moral marketplace," never seem willing to admit that one cannot build anything until the foundation is complete -- something that the very nature of the "moral marketplace" cannot permit. It's not that libertarians (and objectivists) don't realize this: they're more than willing to tell us what they think the foundation should be. Some are even willing to lie about the foundation being "objective." But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and any discussion of prostitution or pornography will quickly reveal their ideas to be based on the shifting sands of the "moral marketplace."

There is also the simple matter of trust -- we can trust that others will respond in a manner that is essentially consistent with our own moral outlook. This, more than anything else, is the real precondition for limited government, good education, or a healthy church. The libertarian or objectivist view of "self-interest" clearly does not foster such trust.

So what does this have to do with a discussion of the soul? Pretty much everything, IMHO -- it all depends on how we see ourselves in relation to God.

255 posted on 05/15/2003 7:43:20 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Jeepers, r9etb! Thank you!!! I'm trying to come up with words to say how much I agree with you but I'm tongue-tied.

This thread is an extension of the very issues you raise, i.e. governance and the soul. It is important, it is more than important, it is vital.

256 posted on 05/15/2003 7:55:55 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Kudsman
Could I be so bold as to offer you a hug also?

Sure.... :^) Gladly! Hugs to you, Kudsman.

257 posted on 05/15/2003 8:50:08 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: William Terrell; Kudsman; Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; unspun; cornelis
I think there is a special Hell for those who corrupt children. The NEA has a branch office there.

LOL, WT!!! WELL SAID! (Hope you're right!)

You said of the macroevolutionists, "If they can't walk around the woods and know there is God, they have battened down all hatches." Well, I think that's precisely what they have done. They want to live in their "doctrine," not in the world. Somehow I sense they fear the world, and therefore try to "tame it" by cramming it into doctrinal form -- into a "second reality" designed to eclipse and supplant the First Reality of the natural world, together with its divine ground. As for me, I can't walk in the woods without feeling that somehow, I am in a holy place.

258 posted on 05/15/2003 9:18:56 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: r9etb
There is also the simple matter of trust -- we can trust that others will respond in a manner that is essentially consistent with our own moral outlook. This, more than anything else, is the real precondition for limited government, good education, or a healthy church. The libertarian or objectivist view of "self-interest" clearly does not foster such trust.

Well and truly said, r9etb. Thank you so much for writing.

259 posted on 05/15/2003 9:29:52 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
holy place
260 posted on 05/15/2003 9:42:42 AM PDT by unspun (love the LORD with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, all your mind)
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