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Bush in Tight Spot With N.R.A. Over Gun Legislation
The New York Times ^ | 05/08/03 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 05/07/2003 7:41:18 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, May 7 — President Bush and the National Rifle Association, long regarded as staunch allies, find themselves unlikely adversaries over one of the most significant pieces of gun-control legislation in the last decade, a ban on semiautomatic assault weapons.

At issue is a measure to be introduced by Senate Democrats on Thursday to continue the ban. Groundbreaking 1994 legislation outlawing the sale and possession of such firearms will expire next year unless Congress extends it, and many gun-rights groups have made it their top priority to fight it. Even some advocates of gun control say the prohibition has been largely ineffective because of its loopholes.

Despite those concerns, the White House says Mr. Bush supports the extension of the current law — a position that has put him in opposition to the N.R.A. and left many gun owners angry and dumbfounded.

"This is a president who has been so good on the Second Amendment that it's just unbelievable to gun owners that he would really sign the ban," said Grover G. Norquist, a leading conservative and an N.R.A. board member who opposes the weapons ban. "I don't think it's sunk in for a lot of people yet."

Advocates on both sides of the issue say the White House appears to have made a bold political calculation: that the risk of alienating a core constituency is outweighed by appearing independent of the gun lobby, sticking to a campaign promise and supporting a measure that has broad popular appeal. The president has claimed the middle road — supporting an extension of the current ban but not endorsing the stronger measures that gun-control supporters say would outlaw many "copycat" assault weapons. That position has forced Democrats in the Senate to reject plans for a more ambitious weapons ban.

Mr. Bush's position "cuts against the N.R.A.'s position," said Michael Franc, vice president of government relations at the conservative Heritage Foundation, "and it will put the president — for one of the first times since he signed the campaign finance reform bill — at odds with his own political base."

"He's built up enough positive political capital in other areas that it won't be fatal," Mr. Franc added, but the issue could hurt Mr. Bush in Middle America, considered critical to his re-election chances in 2004.

The assault-weapons issue puts the president in a precarious political spot. When Mr. Bush was campaigning for president in 2000, a top N.R.A. official boasted that the group's relationship with Mr. Bush was so "unbelievably friendly" that the N.R.A. could practically claim a seat at the White House. The N.R.A. has been a major donor to Mr. Bush, and the gun lobby and the Bush administration have been in lock step on most major gun issues, including the current push to limit lawsuits against gun manufacturers. The Justice Department under Attorney General John Ashcroft has been a particularly close ally of the gun lobby, pushing an expanded view of gun rights under the Second Amendment and initiating law enforcement changes sought by the N.R.A.

But White House officials said the assault-weapons ban was one case in which the president and the N.R.A. did not see eye to eye.

"There are times when we agree and there are times when we disagree," said Scott McClellan, a White House spokesman. "The president makes decisions based on what he believes is the right policy for Americans." Mr. McClellan added that the ban was put in place as a way of deterring crime and that Mr. Bush "felt it was reasonable."

The White House position has heartened gun-control advocates. Matt Bennett, a spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, which supports an extension of the weapons ban, said, "I think Bush realizes that, number one, this is the right thing to do, number two, he promised to do this in the 2000 campaign, and number three, he knows that it's good politics and this is an extremely popular measure."

The N.R.A. has maintained a polite civility toward the White House over the issue, even though it insists the ban is a violation of the Second Amendment that deprives hunters and sportsmen of many high-powered rifles.

Chris W. Cox, the N.R.A's chief lobbyist, said in an interview that while the defeat of the assault-weapons ban would be one of the N.R.A's top priorities, the group's focus would be on convincing members of Congress to vote against it so that it never reaches Mr. Bush's desk. "Do we agree with the administration's position on this? No, we don't, but the real fight is going to be not at that level, but in Congress," he said.

A bill will be introduced in the Senate on Thursday by Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, and Senator Charles Schumer, Democrat of New York, that would extend the ban for 10 years in much the same form it exists today. House Democrats expect to introduce a toughened version of the bill next week. That version, rejected by Senate Democrats as too politically risky, would significantly expand the class of banned weapons.

Mr. Schumer said he believed Mr. Bush's support could be critical in what he predicted would be a hard-fought campaign to renew the assault-weapons measure, which bans 19 types of firearms and others that meet certain criteria.

"We hope the president will not just say he supports the ban but will work to get it passed," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. "This will be a good measure of the compassion in his compassionate conservatism."

Senate Democrats ultimately decided that a stronger version of the ban would not pass muster with the White House and thus stood little chance of gaining passage, officials said. As a result, the Senate proposal will not specifically ban the Bushmaster rifle type that was used in last year's Washington-area sniper attacks. The House version would, because it includes a broader definition of an assault rifle, officials said.

"I would like to strengthen the bill" beyond what will be introduced in the Senate on Thursday, Senator Feinstein said today. "But I don't want to lose the bill, and important to that is the president's support."

Mr. Schumer said that even with the White House's public support, "I am worried that the anti-gun-control forces in the administration will conspire to kill this measure in the dead of night without a vote."

He noted that Mr. Ashcroft gave a noncommittal response two months ago when he was asked before the Senate several times whether he would support the reauthorization of the assault-weapons ban.

Mr. Ashcroft noted that Justice Department studies had found that the ban's impact on gun violence was "uncertain," and he said more study was needed.

The question of the gun ban's impact over the last nine years will be a crucial point of debate on the legislation.

A report due to be released in the next few days by the Violence Policy Center — a liberal Washington group that supports an expansion of the ban — examined the killings of 211 law enforcement officers from 1998 to 2001 and found that one in five were done with assault weapons, often copycat models that did not fall under the 1994 ban.

"Unfortunately, the firearms industry has been very successful at evading the ban," Kristen Rand, the group's legislative director, said. "Assault weapons remain a huge public safety problem."

Gun-rights groups insist that the assault-weapons ban has had little or no impact in fighting crime, and they maintain that their opponents are wrong to depict high-powered rifles as the weapon of choice for gangs and rampage killers.

"None of these weapons are used for crimes, and the Democrats know that," Mr. Norquist said.

For many gun owners, the issue is visceral, and Mr. Bush's stance has made the debate even more emotional.

"There are a lot of gun owners who worked hard to put President Bush in office, and there are a lot of gun owners who feel betrayed by him," said Angel Shamaya, an Arizona gun owner who runs a Web site called "keepandbeararms.com."


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To: MJY1288
Fed "Assault Weapons" Sunset Controversy

http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/AWBanSunset.htm
262 posted on 05/07/2003 10:17:29 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: MJY1288
The problem with that is John Q Public will side with whatever position the mainstream media takes.

I don't agree with this so the rest of your post doesn't work for me. Republicans can get the spine to stand up straight and tell the truth about gun control, abortion, welfare, etc. and not back down when their character is called into question for the positions they take. John Q will get it and stand behind it when he hears them say it like they mean it.

263 posted on 05/07/2003 10:19:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (The Democrats are soooo 9/10.)
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To: TLBSHOW
SIGN WHAT?

Ok Todd, Why don't you take their bait and hire an advertising agency and make sure your concerns are heard nationwide and make this a front page news.

What part of "Let it Sunset" don't you understand. I'm not sure if you're "Gifted" or not, but you're sure as hell gullible

264 posted on 05/07/2003 10:21:32 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Freedom is Ringing)
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To: MJY1288
These leftist play you like a fiddle

I don't know if Bush will sign the AWB extension or not, but anyone who thinks that he must compromise on 2A issues to get re-elected in 2004 is an undiscovered Stradivarius.




265 posted on 05/07/2003 10:22:12 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: MJY1288
The problem with that is John Q Public will side with whatever position the mainstream media takes.

Stop the fear-mongering already.

John and Jane Q. didn't side with the media in the Iraq War. Or Afghanistan. Or Tax Cuts. Or Gun Control in the 2000 Election. Or the Florida Recount. And so on...

It's time to realize: we won. Let's start acting like it.




266 posted on 05/07/2003 10:22:29 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: MJY1288
You know just what I mean.
267 posted on 05/07/2003 10:22:41 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Pokey78
Political capital? One AW SH*T nullifies 100 attaboys.
268 posted on 05/07/2003 10:22:54 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: MJY1288
and maybe you missed the radio FR show that was all about it too? Your such a sucker.
269 posted on 05/07/2003 10:24:09 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Sabertooth
It's time to realize: we won. Let's start acting like it.


BUMP
270 posted on 05/07/2003 10:24:44 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Sabertooth
What I find amusing about this debate is the fact that there is no bill being presented for Bush to sign. This reminds me of the 245I debates. I'm still waiting for that one to reach his desk so I can scream from the rooftops that I will vote for Hillary in 2004.

We have the majority in both houses and a renewal of the AWB will require Tom Delay to schedule it for debate and then again for a vote. Then we will need to see Bill Frist do the same. Shumer and Whinestine can cry all they want. This will never see the POTUS desk

271 posted on 05/07/2003 10:30:35 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Freedom is Ringing)
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To: MJY1288
explain this one while you are at it. Please.

Who's Protecting the President?

By Steven C. Baker

FrontPageMagazine.com | May 6, 2003

Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. wrote that "The sound of a kiss is not so loud as that of cannon, but its echo lasts a great deal longer." If this is true, then there should be some serious political reverberations as a result of President Bush's decision to kiss Imam Hassan Qazwini after speaking to an Arab-American community in Dearborn, Michigan on Monday.

This continues a well-noted trend of placing the President in the company of purported leaders of the Muslim community who do not share the President's moral clarity on terror.

This supposedly "moderate" Imam from the Detroit, Michigan-based Islamic Center of America (ICA) has some disturbing connections to radical Islamists that cannot be overlooked by a conservative President who has been entrusted by the American people to fight a war on global terrorism.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/907238/posts?page=
272 posted on 05/07/2003 10:30:48 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: MJY1288
You want to place a bet that it does not make his desk?
273 posted on 05/07/2003 10:32:08 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TLBSHOW
See #271 "Gifted One"
274 posted on 05/07/2003 10:32:25 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Freedom is Ringing)
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To: MJY1288
i did, see 273
275 posted on 05/07/2003 10:33:41 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TLBSHOW
WTF does this have to do with the AWB? Todd I understand your inability to grasp reality, but please try to stay on subject... OK?
276 posted on 05/07/2003 10:34:01 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Freedom is Ringing)
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To: wcbtinman
Yes, very strange, how all this constitutionally-undermining legislation sits dead on arrival, like the "anti-terror" bill that was bottled up in Congress--until little Timmy McVeigh did his "Rent-a-van thing" in Oklahoma City. Funny that whenever the demon rats need an excuse to steal our liberties, one is always conveniently provided in short order.
277 posted on 05/07/2003 10:34:45 PM PDT by jt8d (War is better than terrorism)
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To: TigersEye
The old Republican "let's not make anybody mad at us by standing up for what we believe in" strategery. I'm with Sabertooth, it's time to put our issues right in the liberals faces. Make them deal with things head on.

Absolutely agree.

278 posted on 05/07/2003 10:35:09 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: TLBSHOW

279 posted on 05/07/2003 10:35:15 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: TLBSHOW
Todd, I am a firm believer that if you lay down with Dog's you'll get fleas. So I will decline your offer
280 posted on 05/07/2003 10:35:39 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Freedom is Ringing)
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