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Sheriff's task force to search cars in Milwaukee for guns
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 7 May 03 | Reid J. Epstein

Posted on 05/07/2003 5:51:01 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback

Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. announced Tuesday he has established a gun crime task force that will rely on so-called consent searches of cars in the city, a practice that has been restricted among Milwaukee police.

Police Chief Arthur Jones was conspicuously absent from Clarke's news conference, attended by Mayor John O. Norquist, County Executive Scott Walker, U.S. Attorney Steven M. Biskupic and others. Clarke said Jones was "not invited, for no particular reason."

The chief said later that he didn't respond to Clarke's earlier effort to involve him because "it wasn't necessary," and that he hoped deputies' searches don't violate the rights of innocent citizens.

Consent searches, in which police get drivers' permission to search vehicles stopped for minor infractions, can turn up evidence of more serious crimes. Proponents say the tactic helps police find drugs and guns.

But critics say the practice invites abuse. In 1999, as concerns about racial profiling heated up nationwide, Jones changed Police Department policy to require that officers be able to demonstrate a "reasonable and articulable suspicion of evidence of contraband contained within the vehicle" if they seek consent to search.

Both Clarke and Jones have been mentioned as possible candidates for the 2004 mayor's race, but Clarke said Tuesday's announcement had nothing to do with politics. He said he has been planning the gun initiative for six months because he wanted to give deputies "every resource at our disposal" to combat gun violence.

"Our officers aren't going to need 17 stamps of approval to get things done," he said. "They're going to be able to make decisions themselves."

Clarke calls the new task force the Gun Reduction Interdiction Program, or GRIP. Sixteen deputies, who have taken an extra 40 hours of constitutional rights training, with work in pairs from 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. and wear special black uniforms, rather than the standard brown.

Clarke said new scanners will allow GRIP deputies to monitor Police Department radio frequencies to better determine where illegal gun activity is taking place. Deputies and police officers cannot communicate with their standard radios - and still won't be able to.

"It's very silly, but we can overcome these things," Clarke said of the communication barrier.

Jones' absence 'telling' Robert "Woody" Welch, the chairman of the Fire and Police Commission, called Jones' absence from the task force "telling."

"One of the primary duties of a chief of police is to work cooperatively with other forms of government," Welch said.

In a March 18 letter to Jones, Clarke invited the Police Department to join the gun program, which he launched April 1.

"Our agencies working together in a cooperative effort by sharing intelligence and manpower would be a very positive step toward the prevention, control and reduction of crime in the city of Milwaukee," Clarke wrote. He said Jones has yet to respond to the letter.

"I don't want to read into the fact that I haven't heard from him," Clarke said. "But what do I have to do?"

Jones said he spoke with Clarke last week about an unrelated matter. "He never mentioned this to me," Jones said.

He expressed concerns about aspects of GRIP.

"Allowing officers to stop and search people, I don't think that that's in the best interest of the citizens of the city of Milwaukee," Jones said.

At the news conference, Norquist said the sheriff's initiative will help deter violent criminals.

"The main reason criminals commit crime is they think they can get away with it," Norquist said.

Some aldermen later expressed general support, though at least one shared Jones' concerns.

Ald. Tom Nardelli, chairman of the council's Public Safety Committee, said everyone can support reducing the number of illegal guns on city streets.

"It really doesn't make a difference who's doing it," he said. "If the sheriff has the kind of resources in his department, and the backing of Scott Walker and the County Board to do it, that's great."

Ald. Willie Hines agreed, with one caveat: "I would hope, however, that innocent individuals aren't harassed and their rights aren't violated in the process."

In December, the Fire and Police Commission directed Jones to develop a plan to fight violent crime. In response, Jones placed up to 300 officers per day on overtime, later reducing that to a maximum of 186 officers. Last week, he cut the extra patrols back to between 4 p.m. and 4 a.m.

Under the sheriff's initiative, deputies are exclusively assigned to gun crime.

"This will be their sole focus," he said. "I can't have them tied up for two or three hours investigating a traffic accident."

Clarke said Milwaukeeans are "not safe in our own homes. We're hostages behind security systems and locked doors.

But police department statistics show violent crime in the city is down 17% compared with last year, with shootings down 26%, the number of people shot down 19% and the number of gun-related incidents down 21%. As of Tuesday afternoon, there have been 33 homicides in Milwaukee, vs. 34 at this point in 2002.

"David Clarke's assertions are not true," Jones said. "The Milwaukee Police Department is effective in reducing crime in city of Milwaukee," Jones said. "The numbers speak for themselves."

Greg J. Borowski of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.


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Clarke is a hero. The people of Milwaukee's central city are prisoners in their own homes, and Art Jones has done nothing about it except level charges of racism at anybody who asks him to do something about it.

In an appearance on Charlie Sykes' show on WTMJ this morning, Clarke responded to the Chief's assertion that crime is down by reading a list of all the shootings in Milwaukee in the last two weeks.

It took him several minutes.

The next time the NAACP opens their mouths about gun violence, they should be asked about Art Jones and David Clarke.

1 posted on 05/07/2003 5:51:02 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 05/07/2003 5:59:53 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"...everyone can support reducing the number of illegal guns on city streets."

I don't.

"Illegal guns" do not kill or harm fellow citizens.

Fellow citizens kill or harm fellow citizens.

Also, since the 14th amendment secured jurisdiction of the U.S. Constitution within the boundaries of a state, Amendment II, makes it clear there can be no such thing as an "illegal gun(s)."

3 posted on 05/07/2003 6:03:05 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. announced Tuesday he has established a gun crime task force that will rely on so-called consent searches of cars in the city, a practice that has been restricted among Milwaukee police

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This "consent search" to entrap citizens is outragous.

Every Wisconsin citizen should be up in arms over this invasion of privicy.

Wake up America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

4 posted on 05/07/2003 6:04:59 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: Mr. Silverback
In an appearance on Charlie Sykes' show on WTMJ this morning, Clarke responded to the Chief's assertion that crime is down by reading a list of all the shootings in Milwaukee in the last two weeks.

It took him several minutes.

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I would suspect that you believe in the Darwin theory survival of the strongest. Just do not disarm the honest american citizens so they can bring a gun to a gun fight.




5 posted on 05/07/2003 6:07:27 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: Mr. Silverback
In other words, the officer asks, "will you give me consent to search your car, or should I arrest you on trumped-up driving charges and use that as an excuse to search your car?"
6 posted on 05/07/2003 6:08:59 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Mr. Silverback
If you don't give your consent, they can't proceed with a consent search.

Follow up question: is refusal to give consent to search probable cause for a search warrant?
7 posted on 05/07/2003 6:11:07 PM PDT by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
For those outside of Milwaukee, Clarke is the new conservative Afro-American Sheriff of Milwaukee County who managed to escape the Milwaukee PD as a former Captain. Clarke is a dedicated serious and effective career law enforcement offical.

MPD Chief Arthur Jones is a clueless race-baiting buffon who dismantled the gang crimes unit, called off drug raids in progress and banned police leather jackets as being too confrontaional to the populace.

Mayor Johnny "The "Zero" Norquist had to settle out of court after banging a City Hall employee while his enviro-whacko wife beamed support and even had another child with him after the scandal.

Gangs of youths "wilding" attacked people leaving the popular "Summerfest" as MPD stood inside the festival and refused to intervene due to orders from Jones.

A sixteen-year old gang banger makes a yuppie mom kneel down and then shoots her (fatally) in the face with a twelve gauge. While the mother's young daughter watches.

Chief Arthur Jones cites a reduction in violence (using flawed FBI statistics) in Milwaukee and will sue the city on racial grounds if he is not awarded a new contract.

Welcome to the Great Place On a Great Lake! (not!)

8 posted on 05/07/2003 6:13:01 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Having France in NATO, is like taking an accordion deer hunting.......)
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To: JimRed
is refusal to give consent to search probable cause for a search warrant?

No...but they now bring(or threaten to bring) canine units to the scene to let them snif around your vehicle. If one of the dogs "alerts" the police will proceed to search on "probable cause". The handler determines what an "alert" is.

9 posted on 05/07/2003 6:18:28 PM PDT by KDD
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To: xm177e2
In other words, the officer asks, "will you give me consent to search your car, or should I arrest you on trumped-up driving charges and use that as an excuse to search your car?"

I would like to see a law passed requiring police officers to record indeliby, before seeking consent for any search, the nature of the search, the probable cause justifying such a search, and all outstanding issues to be cited. The intended target of the search should be informed of all of these. Cooperation with a search should not allow any cited charges to be dropped, nor should an officer be able to add charges if a search is refused, unless the officer can make a reasonable case that he had no way of knowing about the to-be-cited conduct prior to the search request.

10 posted on 05/07/2003 6:18:52 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: JimRed
Follow up question: is refusal to give consent to search probable cause for a search warrant?

Not only that, but if you were clocked going 56 in a 55 zone, it guarantees you a speeding ticket.

11 posted on 05/07/2003 6:19:48 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: JimRed
"Follow up question: is refusal to give consent to search probable cause for a search warrant?"

I saw on that stupid Sheriff John Bonnel Wildest Police Chase video show where a trooper asked a motorist if he had any guns, bombs or nuclear devices in the motorists car.

The motorist laughed at the Sheriffs suggestion and Bonnel solemnly declared on the air that BECAUSE THE MOTORIST LAUGHED HE MUST HAVE BEEN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE OFFICER'S SUGGESTION and therefor THAT WAS ALL THE PROBABLE CAUSE NEEDED TO DO A WARRANTLESS SEACH.

Right on national television and who really cares until it happens to them!
12 posted on 05/07/2003 6:20:44 PM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Having France in NATO, is like taking an accordion deer hunting.......)
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To: Mr. Silverback
everyone can support reducing the number of illegal guns on city streets. "It really doesn't make a difference who's doing it," he said. "If the sheriff has the kind of resources in his department, and the backing of Scott Walker and the County Board to do it, that's great."

And so it begins...

13 posted on 05/07/2003 7:20:15 PM PDT by metalurgist (Never underestimate the power of a large group of stupid people....... U S Congress's real motto)
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To: metalurgist
i guess that now even a mindless traffic violation will have to be met with "i am pleading the fifth amendment and refuse to answer anything on the grounds it will incriminate me"

book him dan-o

jmt teeman

ps- can one refuse to be fingerprinted for the same reason...
14 posted on 05/07/2003 7:30:09 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Travis McGee
and wear special black uniforms, rather than the standard brown.

From Brownshirts to Blackshirts. That's a nice touch. Somehow I don't get the feeling they will be attending that class to learn about the Constitution as much as they will be learning how to get around it without scraping too much ink off of the old document.

15 posted on 05/07/2003 7:47:41 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
How many times does this need to be repeated:

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER consent to vehicular searches.

If they've got probable cause, they'll search your vehicle without your consent. If they don't, they'll ask as part of a fishing expedition. No good thing can ever come from a consented vehicular search. They'll never find anything to give you a medal for, but it doesn't take much to put you away.
16 posted on 05/07/2003 7:47:47 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: JimRed
of course it is.. thats the catch (catch-22 of course)
17 posted on 05/07/2003 7:55:09 PM PDT by wafflehouse (the hell you say!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
(I see all the usual knee-jerk syspects have already responded.)

I had no idea that Milwaukee had degenerated so. I hope this new policy can defuse the situation enough to let some 'rationality' back into the city ...

18 posted on 05/07/2003 8:01:30 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: KDD
That K-9 trick only works if the dogs on within about 10 minutes. The old "Am I free to go or have you placed me under arrest?" question tends to make them nervous.

If they hold you and then bring a dog unit, it is unlawful arrest. File suit.
19 posted on 05/07/2003 8:02:27 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican ("hatemonger")
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To: Mr. Silverback
and wear special black uniforms, rather than the standard brown.

WTF????

20 posted on 05/07/2003 8:05:25 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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