Evolution vs. Creation Debate in Tucson, Arizona May 10

Calvery Chapel Tucson and Fellowship of Christian Athletes ^ | May 10, 2003 | Fellowship of Christian Athletes

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Saturday May 10, 2003

All Saturday meetings except the debate will be held at Calvary Tucson’s East Campus 8725 E. Speedway Blvd.

9:00 AM “Origins of Life and the Universe” . . . . .Hank Giesecke

10:00 AM “Fifty Facts Why Evolution Doesn’t Work” . . . .Russell Miller

11:00 AM Lunch

1:00 PM “Age of the Earth, and Intelligent Design” . . . .Hank Hiesecke

2:00 PM “Data from Mt. Saint Helens” . . . . .Russell Miller

3:00 PM Break

4:30 PM Dinner available at U of A’s McKale Center

6:00 PM Debate at University of Arizona McKale Center “Alternative World Views: Evolution and Creation”
Dr. Duane Gish and Professor Peter Sherman

Sunday May 11, 2003
Calvary Tucson East Campus
8:00 and 10:20 AM “Take Creation Captive”.......Hank Giesecke

Calvary Tucson West Campus
9:10 and 11:30 AM “Creation or Chaos”......Dr. John Meyer

Calvary Tucson East Campus
6:00 PM “Why 600 Scientists Reject Evolution” ......Dr. John Meyer

[longshadow]

"Kent Hovind...."


not the same Kent Hovind who is described here: http://www.skepticnews.com/articles/02/09/27/0232220.shtml
by any chance?


Not the same Kent Hovind who was arrested for assault, battery, and burglary on August 15, 2002, and who is accused of evading income taxes via lying and abuse of bankruptcy courts?

Say it isn't so, Joe....

[longshadow]

Kent Hovind.....

Surely, this isn't the same Kent Hovind as is described below:

Hovind claims to possess a masters degree and a doctorate in education from Patriot University in Colorado. According to Hovind, his 250-page dissertation was on the topic of the dangers of teaching evolution in the public schools. Formerly affiliated with Hilltop Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Patriot University is accredited only by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, an accreditation mill that provides accreditation for a $100 charge. Patriot University has moved to Alamosa, Colorado and continues to offer correspondence courses for $15 to $32 per credit. The school's catalog contains course descriptions but no listing of the school's faculty or their credentials. Name It and Frame It lists Patriot University as a degree mill .

Say it isn't so, Joe....

[BibChr]

If you do not have an inborn sense of what is good, why is it important to decide between God and Satan?

Dodge.

You want to do "dialogue," you pick up your end of the log.

Dan

[PatrickHenry]

Patriot University (carwash & shoe shine for only $10 more while your diploma is being printed) placemarker.

[BibChr]

Not so fast.

The purpose of the posting was to explain my point, that you had missed -- what, three times?

Do you understand the point, now? And how the "atheism" bit shoots wide of it?

Dan

[js1138]

You want to do "dialogue," you pick up your end of the log.

OK, here goes. All that we mortals are capable of understanding as good or evil can be traced back to pleasure and pain. Pleasure and pain are not as simple as they appear at first, because there are near and long term consequenses for actions. So even for an individual, there are trade offs between what feels good now and what results in the greatest long term pleasure.

Morality also deals with pleasure and pain, but focuses on groups rather than individuals. there are moral codes that deal with families, gangs, tribes, nations, species, and the totality of living things. Take your pick.

I am not dodging the problem of specific rules. I believe that except for a few easy situations, most of the things we do in life have indeterminant consequenses. If we focus on intentions we run into the paving stones for the road to hell. If we focus on following the law, we find it is possible to twist the intent of the law 180 degrees.

[Heartlander]

Yeah – Man I’m just glad Hovind guy isn’t debating:
Richard Dawkins author of Religion's misguided missiles and The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design.(which is required reading on some campuses)

Or

Peter Singer who is the Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at the University Center for Human Values, Princeton University. He has taught at the University of Oxford, New York University, the University of Colorado at Boulder, the University of California at Irvine, and La Trobe University. Singer was also the founding father of the International Association of Bioethics.

(/sarcasm mode)

[BibChr]

Well, js, that's interesting, I appreciate the effort, and maybe that'd make a good topic for discussion sometime.

But I think, in all the excitement, that you've completely lost track of the conversation flow.

I said, And that makes a difference some here find personally terrifying.

You retorted, I suppose it would be terrifying to believe in a God who punishes people for their thoughts. It may be rational to fear such a God, but how does it follow that He is good?

And I asked (as I ask again), Define "good."

Dan

[Aric2000]

That G3K is full of something and it ain't facts.

[Saturnalia]

Since Last Thursday when the world was created, silly!

[Heartlander]

Since Last Thursday when the world was created, silly!

Yes, of course… I suspect your Kool-Aid comes in 12-packs too… LOL!

[Dimensio]

Well, people have memories of Last Thursdayism that extend beyond Last Thursday but they, like all such memories, were created along with the universe.

[Heartlander]

A.C./ B.C – is not a rock band…

[Dimensio]

Huh? How does that disprove Last Thursdayism?

[Heartlander]

Oh, come on. If you really want to play this game than throw your ‘theory’ out there and see what happens. I’ve been trying to keep this thing humorous because - that is all it is…

Maybe you can start by ‘truthfully’ answering “How long has this theory of ‘Last Thursdayism’ existed and has been asked of others?”

If not – just let it go…

[PatrickHenry]

Approaching 400 placemarker.

[general_re]

Kent Hovind, the man who claimed that there are only 1041 electrons in the known universe?

Wasn't it John Wheeler who once suggested that there was only one electron in the universe, but that there appeared to be more than one because it could travel through time? ;)

[stanz]

Ah.....it's 11:00 PM...it took a while....

[Doctor Stochastic]

Since last Thursday, of course.

[Aric2000]

#400 PLACEMARKER?