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Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom
Times Argus ^ | David Delcore

Posted on 05/06/2003 9:35:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

BARRE – John Mott and Tom Treece have at least one thing in common. Make that two.

Both men think they have been unfairly accused and, if you believe their critics, both have had a chilling impact on students at Spaulding High School.

Mott is the Barre Town police officer who admits he spent part of an early morning break last month photographing student projects in the classroom of a controversial history teacher.

Treece is that teacher. A passionate pacifist, he has been skewered publicly by critics who say he is pedaling his personal political views to the students in his class. Part of the proof, critics say, is in the photographs Mott took when he visited the high school April 9 while on duty, in uniform, and out of his jurisdiction.

The photographs were taken at around 1:30 a.m. after Mott, who once worked at Spaulding, persuaded a custodian to unlock the door to the classroom Treece shares with another teacher.

Mott isn’t apologizing for his actions and says he has at least temporarily refused orders from Barre Town Police Chief Michael Stevens and Town Manager Carl Rogers to supply school officials with copies of the photographs.

“I’m going to speak to an attorney first,” he said.

Mott disputes an account of the April 9 incident contained in a letter written by school Superintendent Dorothy Anderson to the police chief.

Specifically, Mott disputes Anderson’s claim that he “banged on the front door” of the high school to get the attention of night custodian Arnold Cliche, and that Cliche opened the door and let him in.

“It didn’t happen that way,” he said.

According to Mott, he entered the school through an unlocked maintenance door, found Cliche and asked him to unlock the door to Treece’s classroom room so he could take photographs with his personal camera. Although he was on duty at the time, Mott maintains that he was on a break and wanted to photograph student projects that offended him as an American and a retired military man.

“I wanted everybody else to see what was in that room. You can’t explain it,” he said.

Among the student projects that Mott said he photographed were a poster of the President Bush with duct tape over his mouth and a large papier-mâché combat boot with the American flag stuffed inside stepping on a doll. He said there also were pictures of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and his former chief lieutenant, Ernesto “Che” Guevara, posted on the walls.

“Having spent 30 years in uniform, I was insulted,” he said. “… I’m just taking a stand on what happens in that classroom as a resident and a voter and a taxpayer of this community.”

Mott said he took the photographs less than 48 hours after attending a school board meeting at which several residents complained about what they claimed was an attempt to “indoctrinate” not “educate” students.

School officials have rejected that notion, defending Treece as a “thought-provoking” teacher who provides students in his public issues class with resources from the full spectrum of political perspectives.

“As a teacher he (Treece) does present all sides of an issue,” Anderson said.

Anderson said she was concerned that Mott used his uniform to gain access to a locked classroom after hours without supervision.

“I find this behavior, at the very least, in violation of our policy for visitors at the school,” she wrote in her letter to the police chief. “I also find it disturbing that a police officer would wear his uniform under such circumstances thereby intimidating our employee (Cliche) into letting him in the building at a very unusual hour.”

Anderson said she met with the police chief and the town manager on Friday to discuss her concerns and to reiterate her request for copies of the photographs Mott took and has been circulating in the community. She said Mott had not yet complied with that request, which is based solely on her desire to confirm the photographs were not doctored in any way.

“We’re not embarrassed about what was in that classroom,” she said. “We just want to make sure that the pictures he (Mott) took are an accurate reflection of what the classroom looked like.”

Mott said the photographs he took are authentic and accused school officials of “tap-dancing” around an issue that was brought to their attention last month by using the circumstances under which he entered Treece’s classroom as a diversion.

“It leads me to believe they are out witch-hunting,” he said.

Treece said he knows the feeling. He says Mott and his other detractors don’t have a clue about what he does in his classroom, but that hasn’t stopped them from jumping to conclusions based on his personal political views.

“None of these parents know me in any way,” he said. “They just think they know me. Everything they know about me is hearsay. They don’t have kids in my class. They have taken lies and innuendoes and run with them.”

Treece does not hide his personal views and acknowledges his public criticisms of the war in Iraq and President Bush have irked many in the community. However, he said their contention that he is force-feeding his views to Spaulding students is simply wrong.

“I tell kids from day one: ‘I don’t want you to agree with me, I want you to be informed and think for yourselves,” he said. “I have never squashed dissent in my class in any way shape or form.”

Treece said his message to students is simple: “Defend what you believe and if you can’t defend it I’m going to pick holes in your argument no matter what side of the issue you’re on.”

Treece said he supplies his students with a broad range of resources and encourages them to use them to come to their own conclusions.

“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,” he said.

Treece said he’s tired of being painted as anti-American simply because he challenges students not to take what anyone – not the president, their parents, or even he – says at face value.

“I want them to understand that everybody’s got an agenda … everybody,” he said.

Treece said that goes for his detractors, some of whom are using the controversy over a six-word sentence – “All hail the idiot boy king” – that he posted on a bulletin board next to a picture of President Bush as a reason to reject the high school budget. The budget is scheduled for a re-vote next week.

“They’re out to get the budget and they’ve made me their whipping boy,” he said.

Treece makes no apologies for how he conducts his classes or for his own political views. In retrospect, he said, the comment he posted about Bush was probably too direct.

The board meets at 7 p.m. in the high school library. Like the Malones, both Mott and Treece said they plan to attend.

“I did not recognize how fragile people’s feelings were at the time,” he said. “It was horrible timing on my part.”

If he had it to do over again, Treece said he would spell out the same sentiments in two pages of text that wouldn’t have offended anyone.

Paul and Norma Malone, the local couple who first took issue with the comment Treece posted on the board, insist they’re not out to scuttle the budget, but want to restore balance in the curriculum at Spaulding.

“Our position has been and still is there should be a balance in that curriculum and respect in that school,” said Paul Malone.

Although the couple’s criticism is not limited to Treece, they admit his comment served as a springboard for their effort.

“It’s not an issue of freedom of speech. That was never the issue,” he said. “It’s an issue of balance and it’s an issue of professionalism.”

Based on discussions with faculty, parents and students, Norma Malone said students from a largely conservative community are being urged to view the world to through a liberal lens.

“There’s nothing from the center or from the right,” she said, rejecting Treece’s comments to the contrary.

The Malones, who have formed the group “Citizens Advocating Responsible Education,” say they plan to attend tonight’s school board meeting and present a copy of a petition signed by several hundred supporters. The petition states in part: “Students must be provided a thorough, factual, unbiased study of the history of our nation, the importance of our government institutions, and the significance of our political traditions so as to engender civic duty and respect for our national values.”

In order to accomplish that goal, the petition suggests revisions to the school’s policy regarding academic freedom and the appointment of community members to the school board’s curriculum committee.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; antibush; blameamericafirst; bushbashing; commies; communists; hateamericafirst; leftwinghategroup; litteredschoolhouse; looneyleft; police; procastro; prodictator; publicschool; redmenace; students; taxdollarsatwork; theredmenace; vermont; youpayforthis
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To: MineralMan
Schools should teach reading, writing, and math. Everytime they try to teach kids to "think" they get into trouble. If less "thinking" were taught and more reading, writing, and math maybe we wouldn't have a bunch of functional illiterates running around.
241 posted on 05/06/2003 11:22:04 AM PDT by hirn_man
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To: anniegetyourgun
“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,” he said.

Especially in a NEA-controlled classroom!


242 posted on 05/06/2003 11:22:21 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: MineralMan
Town or county? I am really curious.
243 posted on 05/06/2003 11:22:54 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: grapeape
How can a cop be trespassing in a public building

I'll try this example again, since you ignored it . Under you guidelines here, a cop could enter the mayor's office after hours, open a locked file cabinet and copy official papers without a warrant if he knows the custodian. Do you think THAT would be legal and NOT an abuse of his police powers?

244 posted on 05/06/2003 11:23:16 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: dirtboy
An overblown analogy, and you know it!
245 posted on 05/06/2003 11:24:37 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: zeugma
"Personally, I don't leave anything at work that I wouldn't want handed to my boss or police. I pretty much figure my employer has the right to anything there."

Wise on your part, 4th amendment protections have been slowly eroding for many years, ever since the Terry stop started things rolling. (1966?). If you leave things at work, your employer can look at it. Same goes for computer use. (Which should scare everyone on here that works & posts.)

I'm not sure if this erosion is good or bad, but I doubt that the police officer in this case would be in violation of the 4th amendment under today's Supreme Court jurisprudence.

Trace
246 posted on 05/06/2003 11:24:51 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: zeugma
Some.....my points. Wonder all you want. I don't want to waste my time with your fantasies. Here you go again you spend three paragraphs trying to build me up to some kind of realization that allowing a cop to photograph a classroom will end up in some kind of total “breakdown in civil liberties?” I have to extrapolate that from your “engage in fishing expedition” with “rationalizations that people make in defense of the state.” I will not believe the stream of logic that you make up. There is nothing wrong in any way of anyone photographing the layout of a class room, much less a cop.
247 posted on 05/06/2003 11:25:56 AM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: r9etb
where are the no tresspassing signs. (don't give the he was a cop excuse) If you are going to hold him to the same rules then he gets the same rules. The custodian could EASILY have not let him in. But he did, once in he was an invitee and the presence was valid. (see also bowers vs. hardwick where a deputy was let into an apartment to serve a subpeana and was unfortunate to walk in on an illegal act.)
248 posted on 05/06/2003 11:26:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: dirtboy
a cop could enter the mayor's office after hours, open a locked file cabinet and copy official papers without a warrant if he knows the custodian.

Mott dot NOT go into the principal's office and break into a cabinet and photocopy confidential personnel records. Nice try.
He went into the public classroom and took pictures of projects on DISPLAY.

249 posted on 05/06/2003 11:27:26 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: grapeape
Oh my god what are you people talking about?!?!? This is a police officer. This is a public building! He can go anywhere in the public domain. That is his job.

No, it's not. His job is not "to go anywhere in the public domain.", investigating anything that offends him. His job is to enforce the law. This teacher's activities are apparently offensive, but there is no allegation here that this teacher broke the law. So, the policeman had no legitimate reason to use his publicly granted position and authority for this purpose. This is an abuse of police powers.

Political activity and spying has a long and sordid history in America, including here in the Chicago area. It is a pernicious way for "political correctness" to be enforced. It should be condemned by any true conservative who is looking to limit the powers of government.

And no, I don't support this teacher's activities. I do support legal ways of exposing it and condemning it.

250 posted on 05/06/2003 11:29:22 AM PDT by RonF
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Our high school has several known communists teaching history. They do not teach the Constitution is an ideal. They do not teach the kids how to think, only to regurgitate offensive remarks about America. The class spends _weeks_ discussing lynching and the japanese internment. The kids are not taught about the American Revolution at all-- they skip it."

Known Communists? Are they members of the Communist Party? How do you know what they teach on a day to day basis. Lynching happened in this country. We did intern citizens of Japanese ancestry. So those things are taught as part of our history. I doubt seriously if they're taught for the whole semester.

I do not believe that children in your school are not taught about the American Revolution. I do not believe that at all. It is part of the curriculum.

However, if what you say is true, then it's time to get your friends together, go to the school board meetings and demand an explanation. If the school board doesn't listen, then recall them. It's easy to do, you know.

Do you realize how few votes are needed to elect a school board in most communities?

I hear what you're saying, but complaining about it does no good. Take action. We have a wonderful system here in California that enables us to throw out the school board and replace them at any time. Many districts have done so.

But...before you start, make sure you're right. You're making statements that aren't supportable. Yes, I'm sure that the Japanese internment and lynchings are taught about, but I'm equally sure that does not constitute all the subjects that are taught. Unless you can demonstrate that these things did not happen, then you have no case.

Get your _facts_ together and do something. You have that right. If you don't exercise it, you're just complaining, and that's useless.

I've already told you that we've already done that stuff in my community. Now the schools are outstanding. You can do the same, but you will have do do something more than whine.
251 posted on 05/06/2003 11:29:57 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: ValerieUSA
An overblown analogy, and you know it!

No. The poster is claiming that a cop can go into any public space because he is a cop. The mayor's office is a public space. Therefore, under the poster's guidelines, a cop should be able to go into the mayors office after hours and search it at will if he disagrees with the mayor's politics.

The fact that the cop was out of his jurisdiction just makes the poster's claim even more absurd. This would be like a cop from Camden driving over to Philly during his shift and searching John Street's locked office...

252 posted on 05/06/2003 11:30:11 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: mewzilla
When you were a kid, you never got the custodian to let you in the school to get a book that you forgot? I did, lot's of times. Of course, I lived almost across the street from the school.
253 posted on 05/06/2003 11:30:49 AM PDT by Eva
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To: dead
Rosa Parks violated the law too when she sat in the front of that bus in Montgomery in 1955.

The students from Lane College broke the law when they sat at the lunch counter at Woolworth's in Greensboro in 1960.

Sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do.

"A single spark can start a prairie fire."

254 posted on 05/06/2003 11:31:00 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Town or county? I am really curious."

County.
255 posted on 05/06/2003 11:31:50 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: mewzilla
In my school district, teachers always keep their rooms locked so that kids are not in their rooms in the morning until an adult is there to supervise them. Schools are often used for Scout and other community meetings. By keeping the rooms locked, there's no problems with vandalism, etc.
256 posted on 05/06/2003 11:32:01 AM PDT by RonF
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To: dirtboy
Do you go along with this ...

and with what is being taught in public schools ? ?

The fr pat henry ... self appointed mind and lives guardian // czar --- of other people's children via govt money -- schools --- very strange -- weird !

ph ...

So why should biologists worry about creationists? It's precisesly for the reason you say -- to prevent irrationality and bogus "science" from being rammed into (and thus ruining) the still-forming minds of innocent children.

271 posted on 05/01/2003 8:03 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)

257 posted on 05/06/2003 11:33:33 AM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: ValerieUSA
Mott dot NOT go into the principal's office and break into a cabinet and photocopy confidential personnel records. Nice try. He went into the public classroom and took pictures of projects on DISPLAY.

First of all, I was responding to the poster's claim that a cop can enter any public space. You and I would agree that such a claim is absurd.

Second, the cop entered a locked space outside his jurisdiction while on duty and entered that space without the permission of the school board or the school administrators. As a cop, he was either aware he was abusing his powers or was unaware. Both are bad indicators of his suitability to wear the badge, as well as the fact that he was wasting taxpayer money while on duty in pursuit of his own political agenda.

258 posted on 05/06/2003 11:33:41 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: grapeape
Our internet keeps going out cuz of the storm..sorry it takes so long to get back to ya. (we use cable)

Thanks for clarifying..My point is, that one does not need a uniform to get the pictures.. If I can do it..anyone can do it.
259 posted on 05/06/2003 11:34:22 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: f.Christian
Do you go along with this ... and with what is being taught in public schools ? ?

No, and I have already said that. I just don't think that the end justifies the means here. And I find it extremely ironic that so many posters on this thread who are bemoaning the communistic leanings of this teacher ... are willing to accept the means of abuse of power to justify this particular end.

260 posted on 05/06/2003 11:35:05 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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