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Hillary wants to wait until '08, but she may be called on sooner
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 4, 2003 | ROBERT NOVAK

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:11:35 AM PDT by sarcasm

It is not merely the ranting of radio talk show hosts and their callers.

It is not just daydreaming by political junkies. It's still a long shot, but it really could happen.

Hillary in '04!

No, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York is not about to announce her candidacy for president in 2004, joining the jostling pack of Democratic candidates elbowing each other and participating in their first debate this weekend in South Carolina. Her reputation for keeping secrets is well-known, but everybody believes she is planning to sit out 2004 and aiming for the 2008 election to run for president.

Nevertheless, Hillary could be propelled, without her volition, into next year's presidential election. The prospect of another Bush-Clinton race--with a younger Bush and a female Clinton--generates hope and fear among Democrats and Republicans alike.

Democrats hope that Mrs. Clinton can duplicate nationally her letter-perfect 2000 campaign for the U.S. Senate but fear she could bring on one of the periodic Democratic washouts, in the mold of George McGovern and Walter Mondale. Republicans hope her premature presidential candidacy could mean ridding themselves of the Clintons at long last, but are frightened by her masterful performance in New York.

The former first lady certainly generates far more attention than the pallid band of announced candidates. This weekend's South Carolina debate will not get a fraction of the media exposure Sen. Clinton will command between now and June 9, the publication date of Living History, her memoir of life as first lady. With hints that it will reveal what Hillary really thinks of Monica Lewinsky--and her husband--an instant runaway best seller is promised.

A book, even one with a first printing of 1 million copies, is no substitute for a political campaign. However, it contributes to a mood of "Hillarymania" that may produce a heady concoction when mixed with two political facts of life.

First, there is no superstar among the eight announced Democratic presidential candidates. There is no charismatic young standard bearer in the mold of John F. Kennedy or Bill Clinton or an intriguing, unusual newcomer such as Jimmy Carter. As of today, none of the candidates looks like a winner against George W. Bush.

Second, the Democratic timetable has been moved forward radically, with primary elections earlier and a much higher percentage of delegates to be selected by the end of March.

Those two factors could militate against the usual way the Democratic Party has avoided a deadlock in multi-candidate fields over the past generation. George McGovern in 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Michael Dukakis in 1988 and Bill Clinton in 1992 all started as little-known candidates. But as they won one primary election after another going into the spring, they collected a majority of delegates well before the first gavel opened the national convention.

That could happen again in 2004, but it is much more difficult because of so many primaries compacted early in the year.

Although the odds are still negative, it is now arithmetically possible that no nominee will emerge before the convention begins.

Consider this possible scenario. Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri wins the opening round, the caucuses in neighboring Iowa. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts follows with a victory in the first primary election, in neighboring New Hampshire. South Carolina, the first southern primary, is won by Sen. John Edwards from neighboring North Carolina. Michigan, jumping into the early primary election mix, gives first place to Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut.

Because different winners according to this scenario divide up the primaries, the normal winnowing out process would not occur. If that happens, the Democratic Party will go into its July convention in Boston without a clear winner for the first time since Chicago in 1952 when Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson was nominated on the third ballot.

Here looms the brokered convention that journalists and other political junkies have dreamed about for half a century.

Enter Hillary. Assume there has been no economic collapse and President Bush is still riding the crest of military victory in Iraq. Who else would the Democrats turn to but the woman who stood aloof from her husband's escapades, won election in a strange state and then made a mark for herself in the U.S. Senate as a shrewd, industrious freshman member.

It would be an immense gamble for Democrats--the first woman candidate for president and an enormously controversial one at that. Many Republicans anticipate a showdown between Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush as promising the death knell of the Democratic Party. But New Yorkers could remind them of the perils in getting what you wish for.


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To: sarcasm
Republicans hope her premature presidential candidacy could mean ridding themselves of the Clintons at long last, but are frightened by her masterful performance in New York.

Where did he come up with this crap? The key to the election is the South, and she has no chance in the South. She never will.

41 posted on 05/04/2003 6:15:09 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: sarcasm
what horse chit "not of her own volition"......old crusty is only and entirely motivated by her own needs
42 posted on 05/04/2003 6:16:50 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: sarcasm
I have a feeling this bitch is never going away.
43 posted on 05/04/2003 6:22:10 AM PDT by the_rightside
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To: sarcasm
GO HILLARY GO...SHE'S THE ONLY CHANCE THE DEMS HAVE...SHE HAS THE NAME RECOGNIZETION, POLICIES AND MONEY TO WIN...
44 posted on 05/04/2003 6:27:12 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: sarcasm
Hillary Clinton - - my worst nightmare. I remember well the N Y Senate race and just how fickle Democrat voters are.
45 posted on 05/04/2003 6:28:13 AM PDT by stanz
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To: Jeff Chandler
Aircraft carriers cannot handle military transports.
46 posted on 05/04/2003 6:30:01 AM PDT by monocle (ussia)
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To: Claire Voyant
The Democratic candidates are seeking advice from none other than Bill Clinton, who IMHO is deliberately giving them bad advice in order to strengthen Hillary, who has the uncanny ability to get away with being on both sides of just about every issue, just like her husband. Very few people seem to be alarmed that Hillary as president really means Bill Clinton in control again.
47 posted on 05/04/2003 6:30:45 AM PDT by afz400
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To: sarcasm
Run! Run! Crash! Burn!
48 posted on 05/04/2003 6:32:16 AM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: sarcasm
How can anyone worry about a Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, especially when remembering that President Clinton diverted 100 mMillion dollars from the National Campaign to New York - a mistake that cost Al Gore the Presidency (and the reason Tipper and Hillary had the blowout during the election season) along with sacrificing a dozen senate and congressional races to elect the junior senator from New York. If the gamble was worth it, then the democrats have to run Hillary in 2004 because of the high investment in her senate campaign; they know if they wait until 2008 that they will have to defend her at a high cost in 2006, and that Chuck the Smuch will possibly retire in NY as well leaving too much turf without coattails.

Hillary plans to run in 2004 as democrat party national stragety - to think anything else is a waste of resources; it is high time to position the Republican ticket to deal with her and to make 1968 happan all over again!

49 posted on 05/04/2003 6:34:56 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: sarcasm
I think the is a better possibility that Hillary could named the Vice President nominee to give her more stature in the 2008 election while hoping her presence on the ticket would help the overall results and provide coattails for members Congress.
50 posted on 05/04/2003 6:40:39 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Jim Noble
I agree.

The sinking economy and the destruction of jobs will be the major item in the 2004 campaign. The democrats will demogogue these to death.

I think Hillary! is more of a threat than anybody else out there, especially if she takes the nomination at the last minute (which is what I think her stategy is). She can galvanize the Left and the Media in a heartbeat. Millions of women will vote for her simply because she is a "woman".

One thing nobody has yet mentioned is the huge "dead" vote, illegal vote and the big city machines that will go into overdrive stuffing ballot boxes. It won't even matter if it is "obvious", all that matters is she "win". After she takes office, she owns the Justice Department and there will be no prosecutions of even widespread voter fraud no matter how much anybody screams. Look how effective Reno was in shutting Justice down!

If Hillary gets into office, the American Republic is doomed. The ultimate in Organized Crime will have prevailed, probably for good. This situation is that serious. We shouldn't kid ourselves.

51 posted on 05/04/2003 6:43:22 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: johnny7
I don't think Hillary is a good nationwide candidate. There is a reason she ran in NY and not her home state of IL or her old residence of AR; and that is that NY is something like 3-1 democrats to GOP in voter registration. Plus the NY news media did not ask her one serious question the whole time and basically acted like an arm of her PR team. She will get all the hardcore left votes, but there will be a certain amount of normal democrat voters who just could'nt vote for this woman.
52 posted on 05/04/2003 6:43:30 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Jim Noble
If she has her pet monkey Greenspan force interest rates up, housing will collapse and the economy will be officially, undeniably wrecked.

In waltzes Matilda the HildaBeast.
53 posted on 05/04/2003 6:46:48 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: sarcasm
Republicans hope her premature presidential candidacy could mean ridding themselves of the Clintons at long last, but are frightened by her masterful performance in New York.

1) W is not Lazio, who was a pathetic candidate.

2)The NY media abetted the Shrew's campaign by failing to call her on anything. Her "masterful performance" consisted of her not saying anything, and the media not asking anything. That will not happen nationally.

3)The Shrew is incapable of thinking on her feet. W would clobber her because he is smarter.

In other words, please run Hillary, please!

54 posted on 05/04/2003 6:48:26 AM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Gritty
Millions of women will vote for her simply because she is a "woman".

That is sad... a lot of women voted for Gore becaue they liked the way he kissed Tipper on TV.

55 posted on 05/04/2003 7:12:17 AM PDT by just me
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To: sarcasm
ick!

if she wins, then i'm leaving the country.

8 years of bill was too much.

the boomer-pukes will probably elect her.
56 posted on 05/04/2003 7:20:32 AM PDT by liberalnot (what dems fear the most is real democracy.)
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To: afz400
Very few people seem to be alarmed that Hillary as president really means Bill Clinton in control again. I respectfully disagree. It means Hitlery in control again. She has ALWAYS been the brains of the outfit.
57 posted on 05/04/2003 7:26:42 AM PDT by FrogMom
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To: Gritty
Thank you for bringing up the vote fraud. In my opinion, until there is a method put forth that makes voting ONLY for REGISTERED AMERICAN CITIZENS we will have severe problems. I am deeply concerned about a Hillary candidacy -she is not to be underestimated. Not necessarily because of what she is, but of what she is willing to do to achieve her aims. Very frightening.
58 posted on 05/04/2003 8:17:35 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: AmericaUnited
If Hitlery runs in 04, she'll get absolutely crushed! Talk about negative turnout!!!

Agreed. That is why she will force an "expendable crew member" (like Gary Locke responding to the State of the Union Address) to take the brunt of the bad results. Then she can step into the fray in '08 to "save" her party. Here's hoping Rudy runs her out of her Senate office in the meantime.

59 posted on 05/04/2003 8:32:13 AM PDT by lorrainer (Oh, was I ranting? Sorry.....)
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To: Gritty
If Hillary gets into office, the American Republic is doomed. The ultimate in Organized Crime will have prevailed, probably for good. This situation is that serious. We shouldn't kid ourselves.

I agree... you'll recall there were plenty of experts who claimed clinton I couldn't get elected in the first place... or re-elected. We dismiss this at our peril.

60 posted on 05/04/2003 8:49:52 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's will be forever remembered as "The Decade of Fraud(s)...")
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