California Gun Owners face $0.10 Tax on each round of ammo.

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[Varmint Al]

CA Gun Owners.. Help Defeat this!!

Ten Cent Ammo Tax on Every Piece of Ammunition
AB 992 was voted on by the Assembly Public Safety Committee on April 8th and passed 5 to 2! The next committee hearing is scheduled for April 29th in the Assembly Health Committee. Your letters of opposition are needed NOW!, Click here for a sample letter, committee list, and more.

[.38sw]

Can't. They have customs inspectors at the state border crossings, but since that would be unconstitutional, they call them "agricultural inspection stations" instead.

They are not customs inspectors, they are exactly what they say they are, agricultural inspectors. I have been back and forth across the border numerous times, sometimes with firearms in my vehicle. Because I have California plates, I haven't even been stopped every time. When I do stop, they ask if I have any fruit, vegetables or plants, and where I'm coming from. If I have some fruit, I tell them. If it's citrus, they want to look at it. That's it. They've never asked to look at anything else, or asked me to pop the trunk, or anything else. I here this often on these thread, but it's simply not true that these guys will search your car and take your guns. Not that I'm trying to defend what California is doing in other arenas, I'm not, but this is one thing that just isn't true. And if the .10 fee (yeah, they're calling it a fee to get around the 2/3 vote for a tax) passes, I'll be going to Reno several times a year to um, gamble. And the car will be coming back with a load on. And I won't be worried about the agricultural inspectors.

[.38sw]

Does anyone know if it is $0.10 per loaded round, or $0.10 per bullet?

The bill says .10 per munition, and defines it as bullet, primer, and case. But if you buy a manufactured round, it's .10 per. So forget handloading.

[BJungNan]

What about the $10 brick of 22 ammo?

If my math is correct and this story correct and if the bill passes, then that $10 brick goes to $60.00 ($10 + tax)

[tortoise]

I look at "per bullet" taxes kind of like recycling "redemption value" taxes. If you return your bullet to the government in a Constitutionally approved fashion, you should get your bullet tax refunded. Of course, if everyone tries to cash in their bullets at once, you probably won't get paid...

[Constitutional Patriot]

Or, you can just get the hell out of that lousy left wing commie state and let the socialists cannibalize themselves!!

[Eala]

Pretty soon there will be no where else to go. Fleeing to the countryside to escape the plague doesn't help if you have fleas in the blankets you brought with you.

I think we're pretty much there already. In my case, fleeing California was the result of (roughly in order) high taxes, high housing prices, high availability of drugs in the places I( could afford (though the firstborn was only 1 at the time), high temperatures, and a few other things. Washington was a good move at the time.

But I look around now, and I see how much more power the feds have acquired in the last couple of decades, thanks to their practice of doling out monies to states who obey their diktats, and withholding funds from states who don't toe the mark, and.. well, frankly, there's nowhere in the country to go.

(Last year I showed a state legislative committee how a certain bill proposed to meet a federal requirement that would have cost the state one million dollars per annum in federal funds if they didn't meet it, would cost them considerably more than $1M, albeit indirectly. The bill is now law. Reminds me a bit, though I do not quite agree, of the poet Robinson Jeffer's "Shine, Perishing Republic.)

[BushIsALiberal]

"Ammo dealers follow the law. They would have to collect the Fee before they could sell the ammo to California customers."

How far a drive is it from where you are to Nevada or Oregon?

[TheAngryClam]

Soon.

I have two more years of law school.

[supercat]

Please help with your letters. I have heard that they have changed the bill so that it is a "fee" instead of a tax so it will only take a majority vote to pass.

Note also Article I section 9: No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.

[paul51]

I already buy my ammunition from out of state via the internet

Could you post the site?

[Jeff Gordon]

This is the my most often used source:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/default.asp

Others are:

http://www.cascade-ammo.com/
http://www.outlandsales.com/
http://www.black-hills.com/

[wcbtinman]

Why keep altering your life just to comply with yet another un-Constitutional, socialist wet dream?

It's time to put some real fear into these politicians.(use your imagination.)

[paul51]

Thank you

[Varmint Al]

I have noted that some of the posters have proposed solutions that are less than legal. I would not even consider using these options. As a gun owner, I will follow the law, even though it is stupid. The only way I would violate the law would be with a "test case" and with the intent to take it to court to challenge the law. Is not our justice system setup so that it requires a violation of a law for it to be tested in court? Please correct me if I am wrong.

As it is, legal gun owners are required to be meticulous in following the law, lest they lose their Gun Rights altogether. And I intend to remain a legal gun owner.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Many in authority in California consider it's citizens to only have the priviledges they wish to grant. The state is one of a halfway tyranny in my opinion. The Democrats are flushing the state down the toilet which is why I left in 2002.

May the Lord bless you if you live there.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Tax all you want California. We're leaving this state for good. Keep pushing all the people that have money out of the state.

What state you moving to?

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

This tax will greatly hurt the Federal Firearms Licensed Dealers in California if it is passed. No one will buy ammunition from those who sell firearms. This will probably force many of the gun shops out of business then where will you buy a gun if you live in this state?

Private party transfers of guns I hear are illegal in California.

[section9]

If this passes, it's time to go buy myself a couple thousand rounds.

The salutary thing is that this bill, if signed into law, will do wonders for the gun industry in Nevada.

California Democrats are nothing if not stupid. The smuggling industry that this will create will be remarkable.

Expect the local Triad and Yakuza soldiers to do a brisk business in smuggling.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[backhoe]

I think we're pretty much there already. In my case, fleeing California was the result of (roughly in order) high taxes, high housing prices, high availability of drugs in the places I( could afford (though the firstborn was only 1 at the time), high temperatures, and a few other things. Washington was a good move at the time. But I look around now...

You raise a very good point that all of us need to ponder- America is the last bastion of freedom.

If America falls too far under the left wing's thrall... there's nowhere else to run to.

[wcbtinman]

"And I intend to remain a legal gun owner."

So what will you do when the govt makes you an illegal gun owner, as govt in various states have done? Just because some govt body passes a "law" doesn't make it legal.

After 60 some years of increasing gun control, it should be fairly obvious that politicians have little fear of the consequences as they continuously chip away at our rights. To continue this fight in the courts is the true definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I'm not proposing any kind of action, I'm just saying that the traditional methods haven't and will not work.