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STARS ESCAPE FROM ASTRONOMICAL ZOO
Thoth-l Volume VII-3 ^ | 4/2/2003 | Don Scott

Posted on 05/03/2003 12:33:42 AM PDT by Swordmaker

STARS ESCAPE FROM ASTRONOMICAL ZOO

Don Scott

The Astronomy Picture of the Day (APOD) site has run several discussions of the "variable star" V838 Monocerotis. Today they have another one.

Astronomy Picture of the Day - V838 Monocerotis

but also see

Astronomy Picture of the Day - V838 Light Echo: The Movie

They include comments like, "V838 Mon may be a totally new addition to the astronomical zoo."

I object to this "new" characterization. This zoo animal disproves standard fusion models. In fact this star (together with several others) simply demonstrates stellar evolution wholly NOT in keeping with thermonuclear stellar theory. To paraphrase my web page:

FG Sagittae breaks all the rules of accepted stellar evolution. FG Sagittae has changed from blue to yellow since 1955!

V605 Aquilae: Examination of old images and spectrograms reveal that V 605 Aquilae, studied by Knut Lundmark in the 1920's was a similar sort of beast,...

V4334 Sagittarii is better known as Sakurai's object, for its 1994 discoverer. It, too, changed both spectral type and surface composition very rapidly, and is now hydrogen-poor and carbon-rich, and well on its way to becoming the century's third new R CrB star.

So now there are at least four prime examples of stars that do not evolve according to the accepted thermonuclear model of how stars are powered. THESE CHANGES HAVE ALL BEEN OBSERVED DURING THE LAST FEW YEARS. These are stars that falsify the conventional understanding of stellar life cycles. All of them act in a manner predicted by the Electric Star hypothesis.

If we trust ancient observers of the sky (our group is based on doing exactly that, is it not?), then there are three additional stars that have changed ("evolved") during the last couple of millennia.

Sirius is a main sequence, brilliant white A-type star. The ancients (among them: Cicero, Horace, Ptolemy, and Seneca) called it red or "coppery" in color. Seneca, in the days of Nero, called it "redder than Mars", whereas he described Jupiter as "not at all red."

Castor is designated as the alpha star in the constellation of Gemini, but it is not as brilliant as the beta star, Pollux. Stars in constellations are always named alpha, beta, gamma, etc., in decreasing order of apparent brilliance. Castor is the 23rd brightest star in the sky while Pollux is the 17th brightest. It has been suggested therefore that since the time of the ancients, Castor has lost luminosity.

Capella was described as being a "red star" (we would call it M-type) by several ancient and medieval writers including Ptolemy and Riccioli. It has now been confirmed to be a binary - one G-type and one F-type. Not M-type.

In the Electric Star version of "stellar evolution" things can happen quickly. If the fusion model were correct, it would take hundreds of thousands of years for a star to change from one place in the HR diagram to another. It would not be observed within a "human lifetime", or have been observed over an astronomically relatively short period of a mere, say, 2000 years.

It didn't take FG Sagittae hundreds of thousands of years to "run down." The star V838 Monocerotis has moved half way across the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram in a few months. Migrating across the HR diagram can happen very rapidly - and apparently does! How many such counter-examples does it take for astrophysicists to realize their stellar fusion theory has been falsified?

Don Scott

Electric Cosmos.org


TOPICS: Extended News; Philosophy; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: astronomy; cosmology; crevolist; electricuniverse; nova; novae; stellarobjects
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21 posted on 05/03/2003 10:31:19 AM PDT by ChemistCat (My new bumper sticker: MY OTHER DRIVER IS A ROCKET SCIENTIST)
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To: PatrickHenry
see:

Some Points Rebutting Electric Stars

for rebuttal of Electic star wackiness.

22 posted on 05/03/2003 10:31:30 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow; RadioAstronomer
Where's radio astronomer, I want his opinion on this.
23 posted on 05/03/2003 11:07:38 AM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Aric2000; RadioAstronomer; Piltdown_Woman
Where's radio astronomer, I want his opinion on this.

He's probably in his "Control Room"..... perhaps dressed in leather.... whips and chains maybe?

24 posted on 05/03/2003 11:15:19 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Physicist
I'm not disagreeing with you on this one, but what is your explaination for the multiple anomalies cited in the article as proof that solar evolution is taking place faster than it should under our current nuclear models? I'm just curious if a non-ad hoc explaination has been found and tested, or if this is still a complete mystery.
25 posted on 05/03/2003 11:32:55 AM PDT by Buggman (Stephen King has forgotten the face of his Father)
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To: longshadow; Physicist
Did anyone else catch that the linked website claims that the impact crater chains seen on Mars and the moon are due not to impact chains but to arc machining?

That's tripe, because impact chains were seen in realtime by us here on Earth recently.
It was called Shoemaker-Levy 9 hitting Jupe.
26 posted on 05/03/2003 11:40:43 AM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: longshadow
LOL, that ought to get his attention.
27 posted on 05/03/2003 11:44:43 AM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Darksheare
Did anyone else catch that the linked website claims that the impact crater chains seen on Mars and the moon are due not to impact chains but to arc machining?

That's nothing; "Medved" used to post stuff about how the Grand Canyon was the result of one of these cosmic lightning bolts..... so when we asked him "where are the fulgurites?" he'd reply by saying: "they were blasted out into space by the impact of the lightning bolt, you dolts!"

Crank science, on parade....

28 posted on 05/03/2003 12:01:25 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Yeah, I saw the "Grand Canyon as Lightning sculpture" part too.
Ugh...

Even if there were uber-sparks that could do that, there'd still be fulgurites left behind. There's absolutely no way that ALL of it would be gone without a trace.
Besides, the canyon was formed by natural processes like erosion..
How did he explain erosion away?
29 posted on 05/03/2003 12:04:59 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Buggman
but what is your explaination for the multiple anomalies cited in the article as proof that solar evolution is taking place faster than it should under our current nuclear models? I'm just curious if a non-ad hoc explaination has been found and tested, or if this is still a complete mystery.

Re: variable stars, consider that the reported findings may simply be normal for certain types of variable stars as opposed to stellar evolution of normal (main sequence) stars:

"The fact that each type of variable is found in a rather compact region of the HR [Hertzsprung-Russell] diagram seems very significant. This suggests that light variation is not an accident that can happen to any star, but that a specific combination of physical conditions must be required to make a star vary."

- "The Stars: Their Evolution and Structure" - R.J. Tayler; Wykeham Publications (London) Ltd, 1974

IOW, we have a theoretical model for the evolution of most (non-variable) stars that seems to work extraordinarily well, while there are still some types of stars (certain types of variables) for which we may not have models that are fully mature.

The fact that we don't have fully mature models for every conveiveable star in the universe simply isn't sufficient grounds to toss out the science that says stars are fueled by fusion.

30 posted on 05/03/2003 12:24:35 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Darksheare
How did he explain erosion away?

I don't recall the details, but rest assured it involved some major handwaving. Part of it comes from denying the Earth is geologically old, and then claiming there is insufficient time for erosion to have produced the Grand Canyon.......

31 posted on 05/03/2003 12:32:30 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
conveiveable conceiveable
32 posted on 05/03/2003 12:34:13 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Hmm.. the "Ala- Kapoof!" method.
Wowsers.

I'm still trying not to laugh at the explanation for the crater chains and the Canyon as lightning sculpture.

Have a man made glass electric slag from a nearby electric pole hitting the ground and literally boiling the dirt.
Oddly enough, it flouresces.
(Fulgurites aren't known to flouresce that I am aware of.)
Man.. that is one twisted extrapolation of the theory.
To go as far as to say that arc machining makes craters and such.
Oh, and the "Nothing goes on inside the sun." bit as well..
33 posted on 05/03/2003 12:46:11 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: longshadow
Nah...I gave him the day off. ;^)
34 posted on 05/03/2003 1:56:54 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Aric2000; RadioAstronomer; longshadow
He has been very busy with some special projects at work...what can I say? He's a man-in-demand. :^)
35 posted on 05/03/2003 2:01:47 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Darksheare
He also claimed that the Grand Canyon was the deepest canyon on Earth and that there were no rivers longer that 5000km. A quick search refutes these claims too.
36 posted on 05/03/2003 3:09:05 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
*bangs head on monitor.*
Not sure what to say about that..
It's gonna get me babbling aphasia soon enough.

Makes me wonder how they'd explain the byproducts of fusion away, i.e. heavier elements being churned out by stars?
If it's a purely electric action, there would be no sodium appearing, nor boron or beryllium.
(The ridiculous assertion that nothing goes on inside the sun comment. Doesn't take into account that progressively heavier elements are created in the star's interior. - this is for others reading along.)
37 posted on 05/03/2003 3:21:32 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
He also claimed that the Grand Canyon was the deepest canyon on Earth and that there were no rivers longer that 5000km.

... while claiming that Saturn used to "hover" over the North pole of Earth, "reducing the 'felt' effect of gravity," and that pets have psychic abilities.

He wasn't nick-named "The Clown Prince of Astrophysics" for nothing.....

38 posted on 05/03/2003 3:54:46 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Swordmaker
Marker
39 posted on 05/03/2003 4:34:47 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Physicist
Why would the neutrino spectra be elongated in the horizontal?
40 posted on 05/03/2003 4:43:54 PM PDT by AndrewC
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