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Education in Disorder<p> Americans are almost unanimous: Public schools are awful
opinionjournal.com | May 2, 2003 | DANIEL HENNINGER

Posted on 05/02/2003 7:56:48 AM PDT by LavaDog

What with Americans being such an opinionated people, it isn't often that an issue of public policy ever arrives at the steady state of national agreement. Even as skulls were brought up from Saddam's torture chambers, e-mails still rolled in from the war's opponents to reargue the wrongness of the effort. So imagine how surprising it was to discover this past week that there is one subject about which the people of this country are in about as much agreement as statistical science ever achieves: America's public schools. They are widely and deeply regarded as awful.

Public Agenda, a New York-based nonprofit that does opinion surveys on a range of issues, compiled an analysis of a decade of polling on public education, and news reports about the study were eye-catching. Mainly the message was that while accountability matters in the public mind, what really upsets people is the generalized disorderliness in public schools. Having opinions of my own on what caused many schools to shift from being temples of learning to temples for having-fun-with-my-friends, I thought the Public Agenda report, "Where We Are Now," deserved a closer look.

Please join me for a tour of the second circle of hell. George Bush has a plan of action called No Child Left Behind, but if Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were sufficient reason to invade Iraq, he should now send in the Marines to occupy and reconstruct the nation's dysfunctional public schools.

Teachers, principals, parents, employers, college professors and students all have a uniformly low opinion of what's going on in our schools. Unless bracketed, the language here is taken largely from the study's own wording of questions and results: Some 71% of respondents believe most public-school students do the bare minimum to get by; 83% of teachers say parents who fail to set limits and create structure at home are a serious problem, and 81% think parents who refuse to hold their kids accountable for behavior or academic performance are a serious problem. Of teachers, 43% say they spend more time keeping order than teaching. Instead of more pay (12%), 86% of teachers said they'd rather have a school where student behavior and parental support were better.

Some 61% of African-American parents think inner-city kids should be expected to achieve the same standards as wealthier kids. Priorities: 82% of African-American parents think the biggest priority is raising academic standards; 8% want more focus on diversity and integration. Nearly all parents, 92%, think you should have to pass a standardized test to be promoted--and, if you fail, you should have to go to summer school or repeat the grade.

Teachers would prefer: A school where student behavior and parental support were significantly better 86% A school that paid a significantly higher salary 12% Don't know 2% Note: Teachers with five years or less experience Source: Public Agenda

Employers who think local public schools are doing a good or excellent job: 42%. Some 59% of college professors rate public schools as fair or poor. Professors who say a high-school diploma means students have learned the basics: 31%. [In the 1970s, a friend who began teaching at the University of Texas told me most of his freshmen thought they were A students; "they're not."] Only 47% of professors and 41% of employers think public-school graduates have the skills to succeed in the work world. About 74% of employers and professors think public-school graduates' writing skills are fair or poor; same number for grammar and spelling. About 64% say graduates' basic math is fair or poor; 69% of employers feel personal organization is fair or poor.

Only 19% of teachers say parental involvement is strong in their school [parental involvement is one of the established keys to a successful school]; 87% of teachers think parents ought to limit their kids' TV time or should check their homework [clearly the inference is most parents do neither].

Disrespect is pandemic.

Of all Americans surveyed, 9% say, "The kids I see in public are respectful toward adults." Only 18% of teachers and 30% of students say, "Students treat each other with respect in my high school;" 19% of students say, "In my high school, most students treat teachers with respect." Americans who feel their schools have a serious discipline problem: 76%.

Any stairwell of public-school hell we've left off the tour? Oh yes, we've left off the politics from hell.

Asked why talented teachers quit, school superintendents say: low pay and prestige--5%; politics and bureaucracy--81%. Sixty-seven percent of principals wish they were able to reward good teachers and remove bad ones [that is, they can't do either now]. Over 80% of principals and superintendents say they have more new mandates and responsibilities than they can handle. Eighty-four percent of superintendents say they spend too much time on special ed., and 50% say they spend too much on legal issues and litigation.

A wag might ask: If we're so stupid, how come the U.S. earned an A in technology and human performance in Iraq? Short answer: The armed services don't let stupid people enlist anymore. The Army now provides its own education, which is largely what most employers do as well today. A job is now a re-education camp for many public-school grads. How the schools got this way--how respect for teachers died, disorder rose, basic learning fell, bureaucracy rose, why the best teachers quit, parents stopped caring and why professors think freshmen are academically delusional--is a subject for another column and maybe another lifetime (it takes more than one paragraph to explain how Supreme Court justices with high IQs render legal decisions reflecting no common sense).

But for now, amid the overwhelming agreement found in the Public Agenda surveys, I have one small, recurring question: Tell me again why we're supposed to think charter schools and school choice are bad ideas.


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1 posted on 05/02/2003 7:56:48 AM PDT by LavaDog
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To: LavaDog; *Education News
BTTT for later...
2 posted on 05/02/2003 7:59:34 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: LavaDog
"Tell me again why we're supposed to think charter schools and school choice are bad ideas."

Because they're "risky schemes". :P
3 posted on 05/02/2003 8:00:28 AM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: LavaDog
I think the first step would be to "patco" the teachers unions.
4 posted on 05/02/2003 8:05:47 AM PDT by ctlpdad
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To: LavaDog
A surge in cases of teenage oral gonorrhea and pathetic, decaying public schools led by Democratic teacher's unions are THE enduring legacies of the failed Clintax Administration.

Why liberal Dems continue to deny these known stats is beyond my understanding...but then, so is liberal democracy itself.
5 posted on 05/02/2003 8:07:22 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: ctlpdad
I think the first step would be to "patco" the teachers unions.

It's just treating the symptoms. To cure the patient you need to defeat the illness. Cancer needs to be excized.

Abolish government schools. No more problem.

6 posted on 05/02/2003 8:08:56 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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To: Jason Kauppinen
Also they are racist.

Not sure how but since democrats never lie it must be true.
7 posted on 05/02/2003 8:10:10 AM PDT by Sinner6 (Communism is a cancer)
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To: ctlpdad
Agreed. Remember when Reagan busted the air traffic controller union? He issued an executive order, and fired every single union member in one fell swoop. As I recall it no planes fell from the sky, no huge fireballs erupted from the airfields of America.

It is time for GWB to issue an executive order busting the teachers unions, and then he should fire every single member of those unions. Fire them on the last day of school this season, and use the summer break to hire a raft of new teachers. The hiring criteria I would use for the new teachers would be to carefully screen all applicants, and anyone who went to college is automatically disqualified for reasons of overexposure to Communism and Collectivism.

I would suggest that the single highest criteria for hiring someone to be a teacher would be to look at their resume. Did this person do real work in the real world, meeting schedules and deadlines and budgets and making a customer happy? Or did they spend their career moving papers from one desk to another while employed by the government? Hire people who have been productive, and fire those who have never worked in the real world. That is the simple solution to fixing our schools.
8 posted on 05/02/2003 8:13:01 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: LavaDog
I am opposed to education

but

I support our students.
9 posted on 05/02/2003 8:13:55 AM PDT by RazzPutin
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To: LavaDog; aprile_showers; BlackbirdSST; cisse morgan; ConservaChick; countrydummy; ...
Just out of curiosity, I perused my local phone directory and our "Quad-State Business Journal Book of Lists" and found 32 private/independent schools (parochial & military) serving K-12th grades. This is in the eastern WV/northern VA area (I-81 corridor - includes Hagerstown, MD & Chambersburg, PA). Annual fees range from free (a veterans children school) to $21,000 (exclusive academy), but most of the Christian schools are in the $2,000 - $3,000 annual tuition range (i.e., ~$250/month).

IMHO, a couple hundred bucks a month for a private Christian education is well worth working a part-time night job for my kids (that is if I had any and my financial situation was such that I had to).

Survey results from other parts of the country welcome:

10 posted on 05/02/2003 8:17:02 AM PDT by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: LavaDog

Education Policy Components

  1. Enforce the U.S. Supreme Court decision re Communications Workers v. Beck (487 US 735, 1988). That cuts off a large fraciton of union contributions.
  2. Assist formation of corporate service associations. Offer State funding for local school districts to divest into smaller, more personalized institutions.
  3. Use the private and home education market to develop and test learning tools and services. Private validation services could assess product performance against product claims. School boards would be free to select guaranteed products for use in public schools.
  4. Insurance on the guarantee would cover the cost of remedial education if the product fails to meet warranted performance.
  5. Veto any bill requiring home and private educators to conform to State teacher certification standards.
  6. Veto any bill requiring State supervision of home schools.
  7. Analyze any Federal program for insufficient funds and unintended consequences suspecting unfunded mandates. Cite New York v. United States (505 US 144, 1992).

11 posted on 05/02/2003 8:21:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Xthe17th
BUMP for freedom from the government school thought police!
12 posted on 05/02/2003 8:25:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Xthe17th
If you look at the Baltimore telephone book, there are a lot of private/parochial schools.

Private schools are popping up all over the place. I believe St. Georges County, Maryland, has had a large increase in private/parochial schools over the past four years.

Parents have had it with poorly performing public schools. My niece lives in the Baltimore area and is attending a private school next year (she also attended a parochial school for the past four years). Out of the 56 graduates of her parochial school, only 7 will attend public schools.

13 posted on 05/02/2003 8:28:03 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: LavaDog
education reform bump
14 posted on 05/02/2003 8:35:37 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Xthe17th
Yes, my kids go to private catholic schools. One important item that is enforced there is conduct!!!
15 posted on 05/02/2003 8:54:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (www.HelpFeedaChild.com)
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To: LavaDog
For some inexplicable reason, the elctorate simply refuse to believe that the teachers' unions and the many layers of self-serving educrats running the public schools in this country are a major part fo the problem. In election after election, reform candidates for school board are defeated and the NEA/Educrat candidates voted in. (Some parts of the country are better - marginally - than others in this regard.)

Where's the disconnect?
16 posted on 05/02/2003 8:57:26 AM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Protagoras
Abolish government schools. No more problem.

Agreed. So many problems would disappear if gov't schools were privatized coupled with elimination of education conscription.

Property taxes could be abolished, so you would actually own your property (rather than the state owning it). Parents would be forced to actually put some investment into their kids' education. Those without kids would no longer be extorted to pay for others' education.

The list goes on . . .

17 posted on 05/02/2003 9:15:31 AM PDT by cruiserman
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To: Xthe17th
Survey results from other parts of the country welcome

I read that Idaho taxpayers pay $5800 for each student that attends public school. A co-worker pays $2200 per child for private school.

18 posted on 05/02/2003 9:17:20 AM PDT by cruiserman
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To: Bogolyubski
It's all related to the old idea that teachers are like saints--they are beyond criticism since they are "teaching our litle ones about life." Trouble is, most teachers are far from being saints and they toe the union line which is a leftist line none dare go over. The have invaded the schools with 60's drop out teachers, diversity, sex ed with unlimited condoms, religion-bashing, ADD remedies and PC/RAT-infested texts. It's a complete disaster!
19 posted on 05/02/2003 9:27:10 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (ax accountant)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
It is time for GWB to issue an executive order busting the teachers unions,

Just what we need, the feds running the education system.

What you need is some governors with balls. I suppose it could happen in Colo. or Ark.

20 posted on 05/02/2003 10:02:01 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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