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I hope I didn't overstep any protocol. I'm sure most know this, but I received interest in this little trick.

If it looks too confusing, just look at "THE TRICK" part of my stuff!

1 posted on 04/30/2003 6:15:29 PM PDT by bannie
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To: BJungNan
A playful "bump"
2 posted on 04/30/2003 6:17:30 PM PDT by bannie (Carrying the burdon of being a poor speller--mixed with the curse of verbosity)
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To: bannie
cool
3 posted on 04/30/2003 6:23:12 PM PDT by fnord ( Hyprocisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue)
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To: bannie
I'll be more concerned about who and whom once we get rid of the much worse confusion of 'him and me' vs 'he and I.' Even the people doing public speaking screw that one up regularly.
4 posted on 04/30/2003 6:24:44 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: bannie
All of my English teachers, all those hours in class.....

and you straighten it all out for me in 20 seconds.

You ARE a great American!!!
5 posted on 04/30/2003 6:25:13 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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To: bannie
Much thanks.

Has long been a bugaboo for me.

I never pretended to know grammar labels etc. well.
6 posted on 04/30/2003 6:26:51 PM PDT by Quix
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To: bannie
Its great to see this information on it's own thread. :-)
7 posted on 04/30/2003 6:27:27 PM PDT by willieroe
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To: bannie
Ah yes, and don't forget:

I after E except before C, and E before N in 'chicken'.

Hens "lay" and people "lie".

8 posted on 04/30/2003 6:27:31 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: bannie
Your trick seems to work better for statements than questions.

He do you trust?

Him do you trust?

Which is correct?

11 posted on 04/30/2003 6:32:29 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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I don't understand the question.
15 posted on 04/30/2003 6:39:58 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I'm changing my tag line....somebody hand that wrench....no...the other one.)
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To: bannie
Actually, will and shall have always tripped me up...:-)
16 posted on 04/30/2003 6:40:26 PM PDT by Tulsa Brian (What are you looking at?)
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To: bannie
Now do you have any tricks for affect/effect???? I'll often change whole sentences to avoid those words since I'm never really sure.
17 posted on 04/30/2003 6:40:36 PM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: bannie
While we're on this kind of thing, does anyone know the code to remember the planets?
21 posted on 04/30/2003 6:42:44 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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Which was the oldest goat in the pool?

A goat is not a whom or a him, sorry.

24 posted on 04/30/2003 6:46:23 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: bannie
thanks!
29 posted on 04/30/2003 6:50:55 PM PDT by tje (There is nothing more serious than pleasure.)
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To: bannie
The rule is simple: it's the Who, not the Whom whom once wrote "Well, who are you? (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)"
32 posted on 04/30/2003 6:54:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: bannie; dighton; general_re; aculeus
The Germanic word for the dative case, der Wemfall, reflects the der-to-dem change. The question word in the dative is, naturally enough, wem ([to] whom): Wem hast du das Buch gegeben?, Whom did you give book? (Who'd you give the book to?)

http://german.about.com/library/blcase_dat.htm
33 posted on 04/30/2003 6:55:27 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To whom do we give credit for this?
34 posted on 04/30/2003 6:55:56 PM PDT by doug from upland (my dogs ran from the room when they heard Hillary shrieking on the radio)
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Who do they remind you of?

That's a tricky one, but you nailed it! "Who" is doing the "reminding", not "you".

35 posted on 04/30/2003 6:58:45 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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A whole generation has abandoned "who" and "whom" and simply refer to people as "that." My guess is they went through public schools, taught by semi-literate teachers who, er, that, er, whom, er, which did not have a clue about it him- or herselves.

I don't suppose there's much to be done about it except use words correctly ourselves.

37 posted on 04/30/2003 6:58:58 PM PDT by T'wit
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To: bannie
Maybe you can answer my question. Who is this "noone" guy I keep hearing about. example: I went to the door but noone was there. ;9}
38 posted on 04/30/2003 6:59:19 PM PDT by Ditter
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