[gcruse]

I'll be more concerned about who and whom once we get rid of the much worse confusion of 'him and me' vs 'he and I.' Even the people doing public speaking screw that one up regularly.

[John Beresford Tipton]

"'him and me' vs 'he and I.' "

Yes, and imagine the problem Sybil has with her multiple personalities.

[Rocky]

confusion of 'him and me' vs 'he and I.'

You have hit upon one of my pet peeves. Most of us, when we were growing up, were constantly corrected by parents and teachers to say "Joe and I" rather than "Joe and me". As adults, even people in the media say things like: "That was a surprise to Joe and I." (For those who never figured it out, remove "Joe and", and then see how it sounds: "That was a real surprise to I." Who talks like that?)

[bannie]

'him and me' vs 'he and I.'

All you have to do is listen to each of the pronouns separately...

Give it to him...
Give it to me...
THEREFORE: Give it to him and me.

He went to the park...
I went to the park...
THEREFORE: He and I went to the park.

(AGAIN, the rule is that "I" and "HE" are subjective pronouns (subjects in the sentence); and "me" and "him" are both objective pronouns (objects in the sentence).

[NCLaw441]

Yes, along with the use of "they" when one is afraid to use the neutral "he" and related constructions. For example, What parent doesn't want THEIR child to succeed? We used to be quite comfortable saying What parent doesn't want his child to succeed, knowing perfectly well that half of parents are women. In the 70s and 80s there was some usage of a gender revolutionary nature, militantly using she and her in place of he and his, etc. A good teacher knows HER students. Oh well.... if this is the greatest of our worries we are not in too bad shape.

[maxwell]

much worse confusion of 'him and me' vs 'he and I.'

Yeah that one always bites my Republican a$$. And it's always the brassy loudmouth self-important pseudo-intelligentsia types who err on that one, in my experience...