Still knee-deep in homophobia

The Arizona Republic ^ | Apr. 29, 2003 | O. Ricardo Pimentel

[presidio9]

Let me translate into "bigotspeak" what Sen. Rick Santorum meant when he compared gays to bigamists, polygamists and practitioners of incest and adultery.

Translated: Hey, I place you in the same category as all those scummy people I just mentioned. Oh, and if you act on who you are, you're also a criminal.

[FactQuest]

Name one religion that allows divorce.

I can name 3. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Getting more specific with Christianity:
Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

[ArGee]

I get your point, but liberalism isn't a religion, it's a mental illness, cured by EIB.

I honestly want to know if there is anyone anywhere in the world who doesn't believe either (1) all five sexual behaviors are immoral or (2) all five sexual behaviors are moral.

Actually, you might be a redneck if you think bigamy, polygamy, adultery, and incest are moral but homosexuality is not.

OK, OK, I'm sorry.

Sheesh!

Shalom.

[saradippity]

Your post makes an excellent point.Thankyou.

[Federalist_In_Michigan]

but he ultimately believes the state has an interest in the private affairs of consenting adults.

Santorum believes that it is the state which has the right to enact laws for its citizens. If the laws are good or bad is determined by your perspective, but it does allow for you to leave the state in question for one more in line with your beliefs or to change the laws of that state by becoming involved. If THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT through the courts says that states don't have that right to enact laws as their citizens see fit, then the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT becomes larger in that it has told the several states what they can or cannot do. This is a truer definition of a bigger government having larger control of an individual's rights.

[tuckrdout]

If laws can not be symbolic how many people do you see arrested for spitting in public? Almost all municipalities have laws against public spitting. It is for health reasons. Spitting is unhealthy.

And it just so happens that homosexuality is unhealthy as well. These laws are for the public health.

AIDS made it's way into the society through gay men. That is a fact. It is unhealthy.

[ArGee]

Doesn't matter. He pointed out all five acts as immoral. He wasn't asked to opine about whether Texas should create laws against heterosexual sins, but about whether the right to privacy can be used to support any so-called "consensual" act if it is performed in the privacy of the home.

Had he said, in effect, "I don't have any problem with any other immoral act but homosex should be illegal," you might have a point. But he didn't and you don't.

He said any act would be allowed if you use privacy and consensus as your determining factor and named four immoral acts. The implication was that he didn't think those immoral acts should be acceptable either. One was adultery (a leading cause of divorce).

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Name one religion that allows divorce.

I'll name two. Judaism and Christianity.

I believe Islam does also but I'm not sure.

Shalom.

[ChicagoGuy]

"Now, lets get back to the more important point of how favoring letting states legislate morality as they see fit is somehow pro-Big Govenment. "

I can't imagine anything MORE 'pro-big government' than letting states legislate the morality of what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms. A government large and strong enough to reach behind bedroom doors seems to me to be the definition of 'big government'.

[saradippity]

They haven't been conservative for a long time. In 1986,they led the charge to impeach,prosecute and/or recall a duly elected conservative republican Governor. They succeeded,that was the year I realized there was not a dimes worth of difference between the parties.

[jimt]

If the purpose of government is to protect our rights, and I believe it is, then this law is wrong.

In the case of a law against adultery, a good case can be made that someone's rights are being violated - the cheated-on spouse.

In the case of sex between consenting single adult homosexuals, no ones' rights are being violated.

The Supreme Court should strike down the law.

[Egregious Philbin]

Let's face facts. The siren song of homosexuality is not causing heterosexuals to avoid marriage, bail out of it or be unfaithful to their spouses. And legalizing gay unions will not cause heterosexuals to be any more or less committed to marriage.

Yeah, Rick, where's the connection?

[The Grammarian]

Where's the Barf Alert?

[tuckrdout]

"Heterosexual sodomy, including infidelity, is legal."

Sorry, you are wrong yet once again! That is ridiculous! Where there are sodomy laws they are not segregated. Sodomy is sodomy...there is no such thing as homosexual or heterosexual sodomy.

Most states have changed their laws to make illegal, "forced Sodomy". Rapists can get added time for committing this crime.

[rocky88]

"Let me translate into "bigotspeak" what Sen. Rick Santorum meant

Why don't you translate it into Ebonics. That would be funnier."


" . . . If de Supreme Court says dat ya' gots de right t'consensual sex widin yo' crib, den ya' gots de right t'bigdat fine femahnaine ladee, ya' gots de right t'polygdat fine femahnaine ladee, ya' gots de right t'incest, ya' gots de right t'adultery," he told da damn Associated Press. "You's gots de right t'nuthin. Duz dat undermine da damn fabric uh our society? ah' would argue yeah dude, it duz."

check it out (this is actually the "jive" translation): http://rinkworks.com/dialect/

[tuckrdout]

Legalizing gay unions against the wishes of the public, infringes on the religious beliefs of every single Major world religion. To legalize this behavior makes every citizen a party to promoting immorality.

Adulterers are not asking that we legalize their behavior!

Promiscuity promotes violence in a society. History proves that fact.

[SquirrelKing]

"Homophob? Fine by me."

[ampat]

The author doesn't get it. If one item of his agenda is poo-poo'd by a republican, then according to him, the entire race of republicans should go to hell. This guy doesn't warrant any more of my time.

[tuckrdout]

Spitting in public is a symbolic law. Same thing. Put on the books for public health. Almost never enforced.

Same with sodomy laws. For public health. Almost never enforced.

[Egregious Philbin]

Adultery is legal.

Promiscuity promotes violence in a society. History proves that fact.

Absolutely. Why not gay marriage then? Marriage isn't supposed to be promiscuous.