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Possible War Crime. Marine described how he hunted down, shot Iraqis after attack on unit
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 04/26/03 | J.M. Kalil

Posted on 04/28/2003 8:48:40 AM PDT by bedolido

Military officials said Friday they will launch an inquiry into whether war crimes were committed by a Las Vegas Marine who described hunting down and killing Iraqi soldiers.

Marine Gunnery Sgt. Gus Covarrubias could be the first member of the U.S. military fighting in Iraq to be investigated for possible violations of rules governing battlefield conduct.

During an interview at his Las Vegas home earlier this week, Covarrubias told a Review-Journal reporter the harrowing tale of an intense April 8 battle in Baghdad that he described as "a firefight from hell."

The resulting story, published Friday, included Covarrubias' account of slipping away from other Marines after the battle in pursuit of the Iraqi Republican Guard member who fired a rocket-propelled grenade at his unit, causing a blast that gave him a concussion and wounded several other troops.

The 20-year veteran of the Marine Corps said he found the soldier after dark inside a nearby home with the grenade launcher next to him. Covarrubias said he ordered the man to stop and turn around.

"I went behind him and shot him in the back of the head," Covarrubias said. "Twice."

Military officials on Friday declined to comment on Covarrubias' story beyond a statement released late in the afternoon by the Marine Forces Reserve headquarters in Quantico, Va.

"A preliminary inquiry has been initiated by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service to examine the circumstances surrounding the statements made by Gunnery Sgt. Covarrubias in an April 25, 2003 Las Vegas Review-Journal article," the statement reads.

"The preliminary inquiry will determine if the actions described by Gunnery Sgt. Covarrubias during combat operations met the established rules of engagement and complied with the law of war. The inquiry will be thorough and impartial and will determine whether a formal investigation is warranted."

On Friday, Covarrubias did not answer his phone or knocks at the door of his northwest Las Vegas home. Sgt. Richard Slider, a Las Vegas spokesman for the Marines, said Covarrubias would not be available for additional media interviews.

But at least one other Marine who fought and was injured alongside Covarrubias said he believes the Las Vegan's actions were not only warranted, but critical.

"If he wouldn't have done it, those guys probably would've come back and killed or severely injured other Marines," said Marine reservist Sgt. Michael Dunn, who took shrapnel in an arm during the battle and is now recuperating at his Las Vegas home. "He did the right thing. I stand behind him 100 percent."

Dunn said Covarrubias' wife told him during a phone conversation that Covarrubias was ordered to appear at the Reserve Training Center after the story appeared Friday morning.

"She said he had got in trouble, but that's all she knew," Dunn said.

John Pike, director of globalsecurity.org, a defense and intelligence policy organization based near Washington, D.C., said the inquiry "undoubtedly" will focus on whether Covarrubias killed a prisoner of war, a serious war crime.

"As soon as (the Iraqi soldier) had surrendered and obeyed a command to turn around, he was no longer an enemy combatant. He was a POW," said Pike, one of the nation's leading civilian experts on the U.S. military. "We do not allow our soldiers to execute POWs at their own discretion. And this, as described, looks like the summary execution of a POW."

Pike said if Covarrubias is not cleared of wrongdoing, the killing as he described it could result in a criminal charge of "failure to accept surrender" or the more serious charge of murder.

"It could be interpreted either way," Pike said. "Normally, when we think about shooting somebody in the back of the head, you think about that as murder. But I think that soldiers who have experienced combat are going to look at it and see it as a failure to accept surrender."

Pike said he wasn't aware of any similar incidents during the conflict in Iraq that have resulted in such inquiries. He said he was surprised by Covarrubias' candor.

"These kinds of incidents are a lot more common than anyone is ever going to let on. But it's usually not the sort of thing people talk about," Pike said. "The Iraqis quite possibly did it to us, and I'm not surprised we did it to them, but it's not supposed to happen."

In a Wednesday interview at his home, Covarrubias, 38, talked in great detail about the firefight that injured him and eight other Marines from Fox Company, 2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines. The unit, drawn from reservists in Utah and Las Vegas, calls itself the "The Sinners and the Saints."

When the fighting was over, the unit settled in for rest, food and water.

Covarrubias, who said he was a former sniper with more than 30 kills during the first Gulf War, told the Review-Journal he took off most of his gear, grabbed a pistol and told the others in his unit that he was leaving for a little while.

Covarrubias said from the trajectory of the grenade, he traced the origin of the strike to a nearby house and sneaked inside.

After killing the Iraqi soldier, he took the man's military ID as a souvenir.

Covarrubias also described finding the man's partner outside trying to escape and chased him down.

"I shot him, too," he said. "I'm not vindictive, and I might get in trouble for telling you this, but I take it very personally when you do that to my family. The Marines are my family."

He also took that man's ID, as well as his AK-47 assault rifle.

Pike, the military expert, said the killing of the second Iraqi soldier as described by Covarrubias does not appear to violate combat rules.

Covarrubias said during the interview that he believed the two Iraqi soldiers got what they deserved.

"This," he said while holding up the two ID cards during the interview, "is justice."

Copyright © 2003, Las Vegas Review-Journal


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KEYWORDS: crime; guscovarrubias; marine; quantico; war
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1 posted on 04/28/2003 8:48:40 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido
Sorry, but I agree with him.
2 posted on 04/28/2003 8:52:10 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: bedolido
It's WAR!!!!!!!!!!
3 posted on 04/28/2003 8:52:18 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Gotta be politically correct, you know. First things first.
4 posted on 04/28/2003 8:54:40 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: bedolido; Truelove; RaceBannon; SMEDLEYBUTLER; XtreMarine; USMCVet
I was surprised when I saw how forthcoming he was in the original article and not surprised to read it got him in trouble. He should have kept his mouth shut to the media and only told his war stories down at the Marine Corps League over a beer.

original article:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Apr-25-Fri-2003/news/21188509.html
5 posted on 04/28/2003 8:56:45 AM PDT by MudPuppy (Semper Fidelis!)
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To: bedolido
What I want to know is did the reporter find out? Marines are supposed to keep quiet about that sort of thing.

I don't feel sorry for that Iraqi. If he wanted to surrender, he would have surrendered. Not shoot up a bunch of marines first, THEN surrender.
6 posted on 04/28/2003 8:57:49 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: bedolido
We do not allow our soldiers to execute POWs at their own discretion. And this, as described, looks like the summary execution of a POW."

Exactly. The marines have got to do something to this guy.

7 posted on 04/28/2003 8:58:34 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: MudPuppy
Sounds like the guy was telling a tall tale to me. You can recognize an Iraqi soldier from RPG distance? Then hunt him down? Nah.
8 posted on 04/28/2003 8:58:40 AM PDT by MoralSense
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To: OXENinFLA
Yes, it's war alright. But just as you don't telegraph your plans before action, I think as a soldier you need to think twice before getting too descriptive about your actions after the fact. Like it or not, this guy has opened a public debate about his actions. The press and the non-military public, as a rule, are incapable of assessing whether this man's actions were justified or acceptable.

I'm not for punishing the guy, but he was stupid to sound off to a newspaper.
9 posted on 04/28/2003 9:00:23 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: jjm2111
I don't feel sorry for that Iraqi. If he wanted to surrender, he would have surrendered. Not shoot up a bunch of marines first, THEN surrender.

Soldiers should be allowed to shoot POWs? Not according to the Geneva Convention.

10 posted on 04/28/2003 9:00:35 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: bedolido
The 20-year veteran of the Marine Corps said he found the soldier after dark inside a nearby home with the grenade launcher next to him. Covarrubias said he ordered the man to stop and turn around.

"I went behind him and shot him in the back of the head," Covarrubias said. "Twice."

If the part of the story is true, then is unacceptable behavior, even during war. Evidently he summarily executed a prisoner.

11 posted on 04/28/2003 9:01:09 AM PDT by ladtx ("...the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." D. MacArthur)
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To: sinkspur
That's assuming that the Iraqi in question surrendered. There is a lot missing from the article - like whether or not the Iraqi was reaching for some sort of weapon, like a gun or a grenade. I trust the Marines to investigate and rule on this, regardless of what the pantywaists in the media think.

FReegards,

:) ttt

12 posted on 04/28/2003 9:02:20 AM PDT by detsaoT
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To: jjm2111
"I don't feel sorry for that Iraqi. If he wanted to surrender, he would have surrendered. Not shoot up a bunch of marines first, THEN surrender."


Must be hard for the soldiers NOT to kill the enemy after this happens. However, if they surrender our soldiers must accept it. I hope they don't prosecute him.



13 posted on 04/28/2003 9:04:12 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: detsaoT
There is a lot missing from the article - like whether or not the Iraqi was reaching for some sort of weapon, like a gun or a grenade.

Read the article again. There was no resistance from the Iraqi.

At the very least this marine should be discharged, dishonorably, for opening his big dumb mouth about this.

14 posted on 04/28/2003 9:04:25 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: MudPuppy
He should have kept his mouth shut to the media and only told his war stories down at the Marine Corps League over a beer.

I agree 100%.

From the article you linked. "And I might get in trouble for telling you this, but I take it very personally when you do that to my family. The Marines are my family." He's a gunny. He should have known better than to tell the reporter.

The Saddamites are some sick f*cks though. "As the driver sped toward the Marines and fired his gun at them, the man in the passenger seat grabbed the baby and held it out the window, apparently hoping it would keep the Marines from firing on the car." That's not very honorable.

Also...."He hopes, he said, to join the Metropolitan Police Department." I hope he realizes he can't do that sort of thing as a cop.

15 posted on 04/28/2003 9:05:28 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: bedolido
The media will dig for anything for story. In war ya do what ya gotta do. This marines squadron was attacked and he went on special operations to kill the enemy in ambush and some how the media twists this into a war crime???
16 posted on 04/28/2003 9:08:00 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: sinkspur
Soldiers should be allowed to shoot POWs?

Never said that. I said I didn't feel sorry for the Iraqi. I don't know how accurate this report is OR how truthful this guy is. I don't know the story. But IF I was fighting a bunch of guys and they took out a buch of my guys, there might be some accidental discharges if they tried to surrender.

17 posted on 04/28/2003 9:09:03 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: OXENinFLA
Essentially, he demanded surrender, got it, then killed the guy. That's wrong. Had he not demanded surrender, or had the guy not complied, it would have been fine. This kind of stuff cannot be accepted.

18 posted on 04/28/2003 9:09:11 AM PDT by lepton
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To: jjm2111
If he wanted to surrender, he would have surrendered. Not shoot up a bunch of marines first, THEN surrender.

That's exactly what soldiers do: they fight until they lack the means to resist. It is irrelevant that he attacked our soldiers first.

As for the Marine in question, a 20-year veteran should know better than to shoot his mouth off like that -- especially a sniper.

19 posted on 04/28/2003 9:10:07 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: ladtx
He killed the enemy sue him.
20 posted on 04/28/2003 9:10:10 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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