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Christians, pro-family groups must stand behind Santorum, conservative leaders say
BP NEWS ^ | Apr 25, 2003 | Michael Foust

Posted on 04/25/2003 5:36:40 PM PDT by Dubya

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Sen. Rick Santorum was correct in his recent comments and must be defended if future pro-family politicians are to have the courage to speak up, James Dobson and Ken Connor said on Focus on the Family's radio program April 25.

Their comments came the same day the White House defended Santorum, the Republican from Pennsylvania who is No. 3 in the GOP's senatorial leadership chain.

"The president has confidence in the senator and believes he's doing a good job as senator," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. "The president believes the senator is an inclusive man."

Santorum, a Catholic who is one of Washington's most staunch pro-lifers, gave an interview to the Associated Press in early April that has resulted in much criticism. The AP did not release the story until April 21.

In the interview, Santorum gave his views on a Supreme Court case in which several homosexuals are attempting to overturn the state of Texas' sodomy laws. The case was heard in March; a decision is expected before the court adjourns this summer.

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery," he said. "You have the right to anything."

Santorum added that such behavior "destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families. ... Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman." He said he has "no problem with homosexuality" but does "have a problem with homosexual acts."

Most media reports have said that Santorum was comparing homosexuality to bigamy, polygamy and incest.

Connor, president of the Family Research Council, said that Santorum's logic was correct and that it's the same argument legal scholars have made.

"All Sen. Santorum was doing was extending the logic of the argument that the claimants in the [Supreme Court case] have made," Connor said. "... They say the state doesn't have a rational basis for making homosexual behavior illegal as a means of helping to protect the institution of marriage.

"All the senator did was show that ideas have consequences. He said, 'Here's where the logic takes us.' The reality of it is that these people don't want folks to understand where the logic takes us. They want to proceed in a stealth and incremental manner in order to wind up ultimately radically redefining marriage."

If the Supreme Court rules that the government cannot write laws prohibiting certain acts between consenting adults in private, "then the effect of that will be to legitimize such conduct as bigamy, polygamy, incest, adultery, you name it," Connor added.

Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, noted Santorum's strong stance against abortion, and as an example replayed a 1999 Senate floor debate on partial-birth abortion between Santorum and Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-Calif.

"He is perhaps the most articulate critic of cloning and partial-birth abortion.... [He] has a big target on him," Dobson said. "They would love to bring him down."

Connor added that Santorum has "been a champion of the family -- not just in the area of preserving marriage and promoting healthy families ... . He has been a defender of life from the very beginning."

If conservatives don't stand up for Santorum, Connor said, the results could be devastating for the pro-family cause.

"We in the pro-family movement absolutely must stand with those who stand for our views and our values," Connor said. "If we don't, we're going to find that there won't be anybody willing to take that stand."

Dobson added, "We need to let him know that we are standing with him and praying for him."

The Associated Press story also noted Santorum's pro-life stance, saying that Santorum tells people he has seven children, including "the one in heaven." Their fourth child, Gabriel, died hours after delivery. Santorum and his wife took Gabriel's body home to let their other children see and hold him before he was buried, Santorum's wife wrote in the book "Letters to Gabriel," according to the AP.

Among Santorum's colleagues, the reaction has been mixed.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee defended Santorum. "Rick is a consistent voice for inclusion and compassion in the Republican Party and in the Senate, and to suggest otherwise is just politics," Frist said in a statement, according to The Washington Post.

Santorum's Pennsylvania colleague, Sen. Arlen Specter, also came to Santorum's defense.

"I have known Rick Santorum for the better part of two decades, and I can say with certainty he is not a bigot," Specter said, according to The Post.

But two Republican senators on the liberal wing of the party -- Olympia Snowe of Maine and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island -- chided Santorum.

"Discrimination and bigotry have no place in our society, and I believe Sen. Santorum's unfortunate remarks undermine Republican principles of inclusion and opportunity," Snowe said in a release, according to CNN.com.

Chafee agreed. "I thought his choice of comparisons was unfortunate and the premise that the right of privacy does not exist -- just plain wrong," Chafee said in a statement on CNN.com. "Sen. Santorum's views are not held by this Republican and many others in our party."

A third Republican senator, Gordon Smith of Oregon, said Santorum's comments were "hurtful" to homosexuals, The Oregonian reported.

Several Democrats have also been openly critical. Democratic presidential contender and Vermont Gov. Howard Dean issued a statement April 23 calling on Santorum to step down from his leadership post. As governor of Vermont, Dean signed a bill allowing state-recognized homosexual same-sex unions, making Vermont the first and only state to do so.

"Gay-bashing is not a legitimate public policy discussion; it is immoral. Rick Santorum's failure to recognize that attacking people because of who they are is morally wrong [and] makes him unfit for a leadership position in the United States Senate," he said.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, chaired by New Jersey Sen. Jon Corzine, also called for Santorum to step down from his post. The DSCC called the remarks "divisive, hurtful and reckless."

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle said he hopes Santorum "clarifies that he was not equating homosexuality with bigamy or incest. Those sentiments are out of step with our country's respect for tolerance, and I hope Sen. Santorum would repudiate them," according to the Orange County Register.

But Catholic theologian Chester Gillis of Georgetown University told The Washington Post that Santorum's comments reflected Catholic belief.

"Catholic theology does not condone homosexual activity. However, it does not condemn homosexual persons," Gillis told The Post, adding that the Catholic church teaches that homosexuals should live in chastity.


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1 posted on 04/25/2003 5:36:40 PM PDT by Dubya
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To: All
FIRST-PERSON: Up for grabs
By Kelly Boggs
Apr 25, 2003



McMINNVILLE, Ore. (BP)--"If the Supreme Court says that you have a right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything," Sen. Rick Santorum told an AP reporter the other day.

The Republican from Pennsylvania was reflecting the worrisome logic fueling a current Supreme Court case concerning the constitutionality of Texas' sodomy laws that declare homosexual practices illegal. Homosexual-rights groups and the liberals who love them have denounced Santorum for his remarks and called for his resignation as chairman of the Republican Senate Caucus.

When I first became aware of the senator's comment, I gave him a standing ovation. "Finally," I thought, "an elected official with the courage to voice a moral conviction." Santorum had the guts to state what few politicians and even some preachers are afraid to proclaim -- homosexual acts are aberrant.

I also experienced a significant case of deja vu. It was not too long ago that I found myself defending and explaining a comment very similar to Santorum's.

I was involved in a statewide effort to curtail the promotion of homosexuality in Oregon's public schools. I believe it is wholly inappropriate for the government to introduce 5-year-olds to a practice that revolves around deviant sexual behavior. My participation in this political push caused me to be involved in several debates on the subject.

In one particular forum a colleague happened to equate homosexual practices with incest. After the debate, five irate individuals upset over the comparison surrounded me. One lady screamed, "How dare you compare incest with homosexuality?"

I responded, "You mean how dare we compare incest with homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgender lifestyles, because your group supports all of the above, right?" The lady responded, "Yes, of course."

"Let me ask you a question," I said. "Why are you so upset with the comparison?"

"Because it is wrong," she asserted.

"Why is it wrong?"

"Because of an adult taking advantage of a child," she replied.

"The definition of incest has nothing to do with age," I countered. "Incest by definition is two members of the same family engaging in sex. If two consenting adults of the same family want to engage in sex, why does that bother you?"

She paused before answering. "It is wrong."

"Why?" I pressed.

She glared at me. "It is just wrong."

"Oh, I see. You are willing to make a moral judgment on someone's behavior simply because you deem it to be wrong or distasteful," I said. "I agree that incest is wrong. It is wrong for the same reason that homosexuality, bisexuality and transgender pursuits are wrong because it violates God's natural and moral laws."

At this point the lady tried to change the subject. However, I would not allow her to do so. I asserted, "If we do not have a sexual standard rooted in absolute truth, then we have no standard at all, and everything sexual is fair game, including bestiality." With that the conversation ended because the lady and her cohorts walked away.

Rick Santorum is absolutely right. The Judeo-Christian principles upon which our country was founded draws a line concerning appropriate sexual relationships. Once the ideal of heterosexual monogamy is cast aside -- for whatever reason -- then all relationship combinations are up for grabs. I concur completely with Sen. Santorum; all relationships are not created equal.
--30--
Boggs is pastor of Valley Baptist Church, McMinnville, Ore.

2 posted on 04/25/2003 5:53:16 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
The morons on the left are going to step in it again over this issue. On a larger note, we would be foolish to allow the mentally disturbed to set the agenda.......

"Santorum added that such behavior "destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families. ... Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman." He said he has "no problem with homosexuality" but does "have a problem with homosexual acts." There, was that so bad, now?

3 posted on 04/25/2003 5:54:58 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Dubya
The Wonderful New Mental Illness: Homophobia

Some gays thought the new line of demarcation and the disease it created — homophobia — was wonderful. It was touted by some as a major victory for gay liberation. The National Gay Rights Task Force, in the US, called homophobia “a flawed personality trait” which “mental health professionals have identified.” At a conference sponsored by gay groups, one speaker announced: “Homophobia is the problem, not homosexuality. Homophobia is the pathology, not homosexuality.”

Now, by making bigotry a "mental illness," one thereby removes the bigot from the realm of morality and places him in the medical realm instead. This reclassification of bigotry establishes a foundation for the exoneration of the bigot. Such a theory of bigotry would, for example, serve well the interests of past perpetrators of apartheid. They could defend their crimes by claiming “diminished mental capacity” due to “the disease of negrophobia.” Instead of a Truth Commission we could create a commission of psychiatrists to treat the poor victims of this new disease.

This is virtually what happened in the case of Dan White, the assassin of San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and gay city Supervisor Harvey Milk. White couldn’t be inflicted with the disease of homophobia and be responsible for his crime at the same time. By medicalizing White’s actions the court was saying that the assassinations were actually a symptom of his disease. The trial of White ended with him being found to suffer from “diminished capacity” and he received a slap-on-the-wrist sentence. The city’s gay population was shocked; but large segments of their own leadership had established the foundation on which this exoneration was based by accepting the existence of a phony disease called “homophobia”.

4 posted on 04/25/2003 6:01:03 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Dubya
"In December 1973, the American Psychiatric Association's Board of Trustees deleted homosexuality from its official nomenclature of mental disorders, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSMII). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. For a mental condition to be considered a psychiatric disorder, it should either regularly cause emotional distress or regularly be associated with clinically significant impairment of social functioning. These experts found that homosexuality does not meet these criteria.

The Board recognized that a significant portion of gay and lesbian people were clearly satisfied with their sexual orientation and showed no signs of psychopathology. It was also found that homosexuals were able to function effectively in society, and those who sought treatment most often did so for reasons other than their homosexuality.

When the DSMIII was published in 1980 homosexuality was not included although "ego dystonic homosexuality" was recognized as a category for people "whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual orientation."

When the DSMIII was revised in 1987, "ego dystonic homosexuality" was deleted as a separate diagnostic entity because "In the United States, almost all people who are homosexual first go through a phase in which their homosexuality is ego dystonic." (DSMIIIR)"

So the shrinks were politically forced to remove homosexuality from the list of "mental disorders" that had been in place for a hundred years. This was the first step towards "normalizing" aberrant behavior and obssesive compulsions; we now find ourselves on the brink of the destruction of the institution of marriage. Aberrant behavior now becomes a "civil right". Its a case of the inmates running the asylum.

5 posted on 04/25/2003 6:14:22 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Dubya
Does anyone have a link to Santorum's office - email address maybe? It would be nice if he got a lot of supportive messages.
6 posted on 04/25/2003 8:28:22 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: 45Auto
He said he has "no problem with homosexuality" but does "have a problem with homosexual acts."

In practical terms this staement supports regulating people's behavior in private and behind closed doors. What does he propose doing to those that perform homosexual acts?

7 posted on 04/25/2003 8:45:49 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
My common sense tells me that if sodomy is not a constitutional right, it wouldn't affect people doing so privately but laws could be enacted to outlaw the restroom activity, public park activity, and the like. That would be great, because seeing or hearing faggots at play in public is really nauseating.
But it seems Santorum wasn't saying sodomy should be illegal, just that there isn't a constitutional right to do it.
8 posted on 04/25/2003 8:54:52 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
There is no constitutional right for heterosexuality either. All of the public acts are already illegal so what is it you want? Sorry you're so nauseated by these things but they would seem easy enough to avoid. I never run into them and I'm in New York, the home of many "faggots".
9 posted on 04/25/2003 9:13:45 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
There is a legitimacy for heterosexual marriage (there is no other kind!) recognized implicity if not explicity in the founding documents. I am no scholar so I can't cite any particular chapters or verses.
It's not so much that faggotry sickens me in particular - where i live I don't see it - but I am sickened for the people who are polluted by the pro-homosexual agenda in media and schools. I am especially sorry for kids in schools who have pro-fag "education" shoved down their throats. There have been articles on FR about "Fistgate" in Massachusetts, and in CA there is MANDATORY faggot training K-12. I live near the CA border and I know what is going on there.

I don't want to see the country turned into a homosexual bordello, and if people like Santorum don't speak up we're on our way.
10 posted on 04/25/2003 10:18:00 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
Info for supporting the senator:

DC Address: The Honorable Rick Santorum
United States Senate
511 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-3804
DC Phone: 202-224-6324
DC Fax: 202-228-0604
Send Sen. Santorum an E-mail
11 posted on 04/25/2003 10:22:33 PM PDT by Kwilliams
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To: sakic
All of the public acts are already illegal so what is it you want?

Sorry - I forgot to address this point. Public sodomy is protected in many ways - for instance, at Stanford University there was a big ruckus about the "glory holes" in mens' bathrooms that faggots - even non-students - would use to sodomize each other, and some "homophobes" were uncofortable with the practice. The "gay activists" said that public, anonymous buggery is their culture and people should get used to it. Many other instances. When I used to live in Eugene (OR) - another pro-homo capital - there were parks that one couldn't go to - or let one's young kids go to - unless you wanted to witness sodomy in action. "Gay acitivists" have repeatedly said that public anonymous sex is their right and their culture. It may be against the law on the books here and there but in a lot of places cops are afraid to bust them for fear of discrimination lawsuits and such. Basically, faggots are ruining a lot of public places. There is a nice family beach I used to go to in Hilo, HI that is now a faggot (in other words public sodomy) hangout so no my friends can't bring their kids there any more.

12 posted on 04/25/2003 10:25:32 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Kwilliams
Thanks for Santorum's email - I sent him a note of support and I hope he gets many of them!
13 posted on 04/25/2003 10:47:18 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dubya
{At this point the lady tried to change the subject. However, I would not allow her to do so.......With that the conversation ended because the lady and her cohorts walked away.}

Typical liberals. They try to shout down and intimidate people into confirming to their worldview. This is why liberal talk radio wouldn't be as popular as conservative talk radio. Kelly Boggs is a brave pastor.
14 posted on 04/26/2003 12:11:42 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Dubya
{Gordon Smith of Oregon, said Santorum's comments were "hurtful" to homosexuals}


Gordon Smith is a Mormon. I wonder what he thinks of the Mormon Church's position on homosexuals.
15 posted on 04/26/2003 12:15:22 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: pram
There is no constitutional right to be heterosexual despite your answer to the contrary.

According to you people can become "faggots" because of what they're exposed to. This means that you could have been one also if exposed.

I have seen them my whole life here in NY yet never considered becoming one. Maybe you and I are wired differently.

16 posted on 04/26/2003 4:41:06 AM PDT by sakic
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To: pram
The "gay activists" said that public, anonymous buggery is their culture and people should get used to it.

Because one fool says something does not make it so. Should I believe that all Republicans are racist because David Duke is?

17 posted on 04/26/2003 4:43:44 AM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
Are you ill-informed, or are you being duplicitous? If you read much about the "gay" movement, its goals, statements, etc, you will know that these kind of statements are not isolated. I have been keeping my eye on the homo-activists for quite some years and have read many such statements. Have you ever read any of their newspapers? My husband lived in SF for 7 years and was a contractor and did a lot of floors, many in the Castro district.
You are either extremely ill-informed or purposely defending the faggots.
18 posted on 04/26/2003 8:08:41 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dubya
BTTT. Santorum is being hounded for a pretty mainstream belief. The liberals are getting very bold, and we must stand behind our guys.
19 posted on 04/26/2003 2:27:10 PM PDT by Michael2001
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