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Fears over treatment of captured leaders
Times Online ^ | 4/25/2003 | Michael Evans

Posted on 04/25/2003 4:57:23 PM PDT by Utah Girl

HUMAN RIGHTS organisations expressed increasing concern yesterday over the treatment of the captured Iraqis on the American “deck-of-cards” list of most-wanted regime members.

Their intervention came after the detention of three more senior officials on Wednesday, including the former chief of military intelligence and the former head of the country’s military air defences. Their arrests brought the total to 11, but the Bush Administration is refusing to disclose where or in what conditions they are being held.

The whereabouts of Abu Abbas, the Palestinian behind the 1985 hijacking of the cruise liner Achille Lauro, who was arrested by US special forces in Baghdad last week, are also unknown.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which is based in Geneva, said that it has been allowed to visit two of the 11, but had been told not to divulge where they were being detained.

ICRC sources said that the civilians arrested should be covered by the Fourth Geneva Convention, and the military by the Third Geneva Convention. But there was considerable doubt over their present status. Amnesty International said that all the captives from the most-wanted list had to be treated as prisoners of war under the Geneva Convention to ensure that they were properly treated and not put under any “stressful duress”.

A Pentagon spokesman told The Times: “Their status is not yet determined, and their location is not being disclosed. It is still at an early stage and it has not yet been determined what will happen to them.”

A British Foreign Office official said that discussions were still going on with Washington about what to do with the captured Iraqis on the most-wanted list but no conclusions had been reached.

The ICRC said that every attempt was being made to visit all those Iraqi regime members captured by the Americans. A spokeswoman said: “Everyone wants to know where they are, but because they are such high-profile figures, we can’t even say where they are not being held.”

Legal sources said that Mr Abbas’s case was harder to deal with, although he could also benefit from the protection of the Geneva Convention because he was arrested during a war.

Amnesty International said: “We would be against any of the captives being sent outside Iraq to a detention camp such as the one at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba or Bagram in Afghanistan.” Amnesty said that if the captured regime members were to be charged with war crimes or crimes against humanity, a United Nations committee of experts should be responsible for deciding how they should be tried.

That was what happened with indicted war criminals involved in the conflicts in the Balkans, leading to the setting-up of the independent International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia.

The Amnesty spokeswoman said: “The 11 regime members captured so far should all be held in a safe place and be allowed visits by the ICRC.”

The Red Cross and Amnesty fear that the Americans will decide to define those on the list of 55 as “unlawful combatants” which would put them outside the protection of international humanitarian law.

One legal expert said: “It is almost like a remake of history and international relations. Many human rights issues are being raised.”

The latest three detained from the deck-of-cards list yesterday were Zuhayr Talib Abd al-Sattar al-Naqib, who was head of military intelligence, Muzahim Sa’b Hassan al-Tikriti, air defence force commander, and Muhammad Mahdi al-Salih, Iraqi Minister of Trade.

Pierre-Richard Prosper, the US ambassador-at-large for war crimes issues, has indicated that Saddam Hussein and his senior henchmen should, if captured, be tried by Iraqi jurists, not by an international tribunal; and that those accused of war crimes in the recent conflict, as well as in the 1991 Gulf War, should be dealt with by American civilian or military courts.

Most ordinary Iraqis detained during the war, and formally designated as PoWs under the Geneva Convention, are still being held at the camp at Umm Qasr in southern Iraq.

The Red Cross said that they could not be released until the coalition declared a formal end of hostilities.

The Americans have released 927 PoWs, judged to have been non-combatants, leaving 6,850 in custody. The Kurds in the north who captured hundreds of Iraq troops, have so far released about 750.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuabbas; amnestyinternational; buttinskis; gitmo; icrc; mostwanted; pows; warcrimes
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Let's see, the coalition treated the captured Iraqi POWs the same as the civilians and their own. Soldiers shared food with starving civilians. Hussien's regime cut out tongues of dissenters, used rape as a torture tool, tortured hundreds of thousands of people to their deaths. I think these humanitarian groups are in a state of disconnect with reality
1 posted on 04/25/2003 4:57:23 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Lets see not one peep out of these people when the fedeyeen sent by these Regime leaders to butcher American POW's .......now they are worried about how we are going to treat the poor babies.......Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
2 posted on 04/25/2003 5:00:45 PM PDT by Dog (We are witnessing Historic Days-- -- - - - President George W. Bush - - - April 24, 2003)
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To: Howlin
You won't believe this article. (low growl)
3 posted on 04/25/2003 5:02:25 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Dog
Exactly right.
4 posted on 04/25/2003 5:02:33 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
These so called human rights organizations just amaze me. Not a peep out of them when Saddam was mutilating the Iraqis. However let the U.S. capture these jerks and all of a sudden the human rights people speak up. What a bunch of BS. I have lost all respect for them. Parley
5 posted on 04/25/2003 5:02:39 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Utah Girl
I think they should all be kept in Iraq, guarded by Iraquis. In Mosul or Kirkuk. We should let the Kurds be their prison guards and we could check on them from time to time. If they survive!
6 posted on 04/25/2003 5:04:19 PM PDT by Timocrat
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To: Parley Baer
I haven't had any respect for them for years. They come down on the side of barbarians, and then turn around and point fingers at the USA.
7 posted on 04/25/2003 5:04:51 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Dog
"...a United Nations committee of experts should be responsible for deciding how they should be tried."

UN-foquing-believable!!

Excuse my french!
8 posted on 04/25/2003 5:09:18 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberate Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, NK, Cuba...; Support the Troops!)
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To: Utah Girl
What the hell!

These guys SHREEDED PEOPLE!

9 posted on 04/25/2003 5:11:53 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: SwinneySwitch
10-4. The UN brings nothing to this party. Where have they been during the MANY years of Saddam's brutality? They can take a hike!
10 posted on 04/25/2003 5:15:49 PM PDT by toddst
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To: Utah Girl
On a scale of 1-10, these people's credibility is a zero...
11 posted on 04/25/2003 5:16:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Utah Girl
These "Human Rats" organizations have their noses stuck into everything.

I'll bet the farm that if we capture the Butcher of Baghdad himself, they'll be squawking if he doesn't get kitsch art on his cell walls and a weekly supply of Castro cigars.

Leni

12 posted on 04/25/2003 5:17:26 PM PDT by MinuteGal (THIS JUST IN ! Astonishing fare reduction for FReeps Ahoy Cruise! Check it out, pronto!)
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To: Utah Girl
Maybe the author will better understand our posture if we hang one of these good old boys in the lobby of the Times building and then charge admission.

We are probably better to spare the lives of these individuals to promote cooperation/surrender of the next set of dictators during the next dance.

After the middel east is pacified, let the consequences begin.

13 posted on 04/25/2003 5:17:54 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Utah Girl
Send Jesse Jackson over.
14 posted on 04/25/2003 5:19:16 PM PDT by UB355
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To: Dog
I'm glad these people are doing this. It exposes their loyalties and hypocricies.
15 posted on 04/25/2003 5:20:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Utah Girl
I don't care what these NGOs think.

Don't tug on Superman's cape.
16 posted on 04/25/2003 5:22:16 PM PDT by lavrenti
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To: Utah Girl
There were good reasons why I sent no money to the Red Cross after 9-11, this was one of them. The Salvation Army got my donation, and as far as I can tell, put it to good use. The RC would have sent some it to the ICRC, some to the Gay and Lesbian Alliance of Lower Manhatten, some to the Palistian Red Crescent for ambulencesweapons transports, taken a big slice for "adminstrative" expenses, and then bought coffee, donuts and blankets with the rest, for which they would charge when they distributed them.
17 posted on 04/25/2003 5:22:24 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: MinuteGal
Butcher of Baghdad himself, they'll be squawking if he doesn't get kitsch art on his cell walls and a weekly supply of Castro cigars.

Well hell, I think we should provide all that for him. For the week or so it takes to try him and then hang him.

18 posted on 04/25/2003 5:24:09 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Utah Girl
"HUMAN RIGHTS organisations expressed increasing concern yesterday over the treatment of the captured Iraqis on the American “deck-of-cards” list of most-wanted regime members."

Notice the INCORRECT spelling of "organizations"......Their editors must suck.
19 posted on 04/25/2003 5:36:04 PM PDT by abnegation
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To: Utah Girl
I agree...They have no credibility with their tunnel vision.
20 posted on 04/25/2003 5:50:32 PM PDT by MEG33
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