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THE NATIONAL SALES TAX HOAX
uhuh.com ^ | John William Kurowski

Posted on 04/22/2003 10:40:02 AM PDT by sheltonmac

There is an important distinction to be made concerning a "national sales tax" as proposed to replace current taxation, and the method of taxing consumption as intended by the Founding Fathers. A national sales tax would give Congress an across the board percentage of our economy by laying an internal tax, whether such revenue is needed or not. The Founder's method of taxing consumption began with an external tax on imports at our water's edge, and was extended to reach internal consumption only if external taxation were found insufficient.

It is important to study our nation's first revenue raising Act to understand the wisdom of the Framers. The Act was "... in a certain sense a second Declaration of independence; and by a coincidence which could not have been more striking or significant, it was approved by President Washington on the fourth day of July, 1789." [See, Twenty Years of Congress, James G. Blaine, 1884, Vol. 1, page 185]

Madison, in discussing this Act before Congress, clearly pointed out a very important principal of American's original tax reform package:

"...a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents."

The Act imposed taxes, not on American constituents, but on "goods wares and merchandise" imported into our Country by foreign nations, and not one dime was raised under the Act by any internal taxes. Internal taxes were frowned upon by the Founder's especially when a national revenue could be had by requiring foreign nations to pay for the privilege of doing business on American's soil!

Jefferson, in his Second Annual Message (December 15, 1802) states:

"In the department of finance it is with pleasure I inform you that the receipts of external duties for the last twelve months have exceeded those of any former year, and that the ratio of increase has been also greater than usual. This has enabled us to answer all the regular exigencies of government, to pay from the treasury in one year upward of eight millions of dollars, principal and interest, of the public debt, exclusive of upward of one million paid by the sale of bank stock, and making in the whole a reduction of nearly five millions and a half of principal; and to have now in the treasury four millions and a half of dollars, which are in a course of application to a further discharge of debt and current demands."

Imagine...all this in consequence of "external duties!"

In Jefferson's Second Inaugural Address (March 4, 1805), he points out:

"At home, fellow citizens, you best know whether we have done well or ill. The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses, enabled us to discontinue our internal taxes. These covering our land with officers, and opening our doors to their intrusions, had already begun that process of domiciliary vexation which, once entered, is scarcely to be restrained from reaching successively every article of produce and property. If among these taxes some minor ones fell which had not been inconvenient, it was because their amount would not have paid the officers who collected them, and because, if they had any merit, the state authorities might adopt them, instead of others less approved."

"The remaining revenue on the consumption of foreign articles, is paid cheerfully by those who can afford to add foreign luxuries to domestic comforts, being collected on our seaboards and frontiers only, and incorporated with the transactions of our mercantile citizens, it may be the pleasure and pride of an American to ask, "what farmer, what mechanic, what laborer, ever sees a tax-gatherer of the United States?"

The national sales tax idea would do ill to our nation as it is an internal system of taxation which ultimately increases the cost of goods manufactured on American soil; burdens the American Citizen in its collection; and, is to be paid BY the farmer, mechanic, laborer, etc. who will continue to see the intrusion of the "tax gatherer of the United States" if such a system is adopted!

It is also important to note how imposts and duties (external taxation) were successfully used to encourage domestic manufacturing and assist in building a strong industrial base. The first revenue raising Act imposed an across-the-board tax on imports which was higher for imports shipped in foreign owned foreign built vessels, and discounted the tax for imports arriving in American owned American built ships:

"a discount of ten percent on all duties imposed by this Act shall be allowed on such goods, wares, and merchandise as shall be imported in vessels built in the United States, and wholly the property of a citizen or citizens thereof."

This skillful use of external taxation gave American ship builders a hometown advantage and predictably resulted in America's merchant marine becoming the most powerful on the face of the planet. In addition, our national treasury was filled by foreigners paying for the privilege of doing business on American soil.

But this was when members of Congress, and those running for Office, put American interests first and would have considered NAFTA, GATT and the WTO as acts of sedition, and would have tarred and feathered those promoting such surrender of America's sovereignty.

A national sales tax plan which omits external taxation as a principal source to fill our national treasury, is in fact a surrender of national sovereignty to the advantage of foreign interests!

It is quite obvious the American People are fed up with the manner in which Congress now raises its revenue, and the system will be changed...one way or another. But if income taxation is abandoned and the Founders original tax plan is returned to, including the use of impost and duties at our water's edge as a principal means to fill our national treasury, a powerful group of international financiers and investors will have their gravy train cut off. Perhaps that is why a flat tax along with a national sales tax has been offered as "tax reform" by the establishment ... each proposal cleverly perpetuates a burdensome system of internal taxation as the principal means to raise revenue, and leaves the international gravy train in tact by not resorting to external taxation to meet the expenses of Congress as was intended by the Founders!

In closing, many of the same people who promoted the NAFTA, GATT and the WTO (the free trade crowd) are now promoting various forms of tax reform ... each proposal cleverly maintaining internal taxation as a principal means to raise a national revenue. Let us continually keep in mind the important distinction between internal and external taxation while working toward the elimination of income taxation and strive to return to the Founding Father's original tax reform package which provided the means allowing America to become the economic envy of the world.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; fairtax; libertarians; nationalsalestax; nrst; taxreform
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To: plain talk
"Taxurbation"

LOL (no comment, I could get into BIG trouble!! But that WAS funny!)
81 posted on 04/22/2003 6:23:03 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: editor-surveyor
It is important to study our nation's first revenue raising Act to understand the wisdom of the Framers.
[See, Twenty Years of Congress, James G. Blaine, 1884, Vol. 1, page 185]

A different, but informative online reference that I've come across is:

Foundations of the Tax Legislation Process: The Confederation, Constitutional Convention, and First Revenue Law

82 posted on 04/22/2003 6:30:04 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Whew.. this stuff makes my head spin. I really appreciate the ping though. Problem is, just when I start to understand and agree with ONE poster..another one comes along to change my mind.. then another and another......

This is such a complicated issue. Sadly, I think one poster said something I wonder out loud often. If we take away the HUGE amount of taxes that corporations pay.. who is going to make up the difference?

It is like telling a family of 6 where both parents work, one of you must stop working. Sadly, that family has BILLS that commeserate (I think thats the word I'm wanting) with their income levels. Hard thing to change..and usually ends up in bankruptcy.

I'm hoping to understand this more..and will keep reading the thread. Thanks for the ping.

FRegards, Vets

83 posted on 04/22/2003 6:31:26 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks and bookmarked
84 posted on 04/22/2003 6:33:15 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: sheltonmac
BOOKMARKED
85 posted on 04/22/2003 6:41:33 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: balrog666
How much do you pay in income taxes and FICA taxes for you and your employees?

Nothing. It comes out of the employee's conpensation.

ALL of that does not come out of the employee's compensation. State and federal income taxes do but half of the FICA taxes and all of the FUTA and SUTA (based on payroll) are paid by the employer .... at least in my state.

86 posted on 04/22/2003 6:51:23 PM PDT by kayak (Pray for President Bush, our troops, and our nation!)
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To: sheltonmac
Doesn't Canada have an income tax plus a retail sales tax? I do know that it is expensive to buy anything there.
87 posted on 04/22/2003 6:56:49 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
No. They have a Value Added Tax (VAT), as do a bunch of the European countries. Insidious, awful form of taxation, since it is hidden--charged at every level of production--where the end consumer never sees it. Ironically, that is pretty much what our current tax scheme in this country does.

I fully support the end of the income tax; and the implementation of the NRST to replace it.
88 posted on 04/22/2003 7:06:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: eskimo
Our current system places all the burdens on our manufacturers--both compliance costs (huge), and various taxes on businesses themselves. Those costs become built into every product made in this country, whether they are to be sold in our market or overseas. However, foreign manufacturers carry none of those burdens. They have a huge competitive advantage because of it---both here and abroad.

That situation would be completely reversed under the NRST. None of our products would be taxed at all if they were for export--and would contain none of the current built-in costs of the income tax based system. Our products would immediately be the most competitive in the world. Conversely, a new day would dawn for foreign manufacturers selling in OUR market. Their products would then have to begin to pay taxes in this country; since all products would be taxed AT THE POINT OF SALE.

Amongst many other benefits, this is a chief one--one that is likely to go a long, long ways towards ending the days of trade deficits. I believe with all my heart this is the first step to revitalizing our manufacturing base.

Regards,
EV
89 posted on 04/22/2003 7:14:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Question_Assumptions; BartMan1
Hey QA, I appreciated your post

Wouldn't a NRST encourage a healthy barter (black) market?

How would/could something like eBay come to fruition, considering the onerous bookkeeping a NRST would necessarily place upon it?

I don't expect that you'd care to be a mouthpiece for such a system, just curious as to your thoughts...

Bartman, check out this thread, esp. post 65
90 posted on 04/22/2003 7:20:10 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: hripka
Is a FORD...

-Futura
-Freestar

in your Car Tax Future..?
91 posted on 04/22/2003 7:22:50 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: Taxman
I figure you've seen this, but just in case you haven't...
92 posted on 04/22/2003 7:29:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: editor-surveyor
The purpose of taxation in our nation at present is to concentrate power in groups that otherwise produce nothing. We will never get rid of the complicated tax structure we now have because far too many tax professionals live off the current tax code.
93 posted on 04/22/2003 7:30:01 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: IncPen
Having been a retailer, I can tell you that a sales tax is BY FAR the least 'onerous' of any tax.

The vast majority of sales taxes are collected by big retailers...for whom the biggest burden will be reprogramming their cash registers--in other words, it will hardly be any burden at all.
94 posted on 04/22/2003 7:31:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: harpseal
I know this may sound counter-intuitive (I once thought the same thing), but in having talked to literally hundreds of tax accountants and attorneys over the last decade about this issue, they as as a group support this change overwhelmingly (the ones who have studied the issue for themselves).

No one knows better than they do how incredibly screwed up and counter-productive the current system is. Repeatedly they have told me that they could care less about losing the tax preparation business--they have plenty of other ways to make money.

Many of them also have told me that they figure the business growth that would result would guarantee them all the traffic they could handle.
95 posted on 04/22/2003 7:37:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: editor-surveyor
Another way to look at it ... imagine that the income tax ended, period, and for a brief, shining moment there was zero (Federal) tax burden on all of us. And zero record-keeping and form-filling out. Imagine the economic boom that would result if we could keep the hundreds of billions that are taken from us, and if we could avoid all the odious administrative tasks that the system imposes.

Then, reality rears its ugly head. The federal gov't needs money. How shall it be raised? Would we want to return to the nightmare system we had just dumped? I think not. It would be far simpler to tack on an additional sales tax at the retail level, where merchants are already involved in tax collection activity. No additional bureaucracies needed! Merchants could collect not only for the states, but for the feds too, and remit to the US on a monthly basis. The rest of us would remain free of the paperwork nightmare, and we'd pay taxes in accordance with our consumption.

Seems like a big improvement.

96 posted on 04/22/2003 7:38:24 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
You are a clear thinker.

I'm with you!
97 posted on 04/22/2003 7:44:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
That situation would be completely reversed under the NRST. None of our products would be taxed at all if they were for export--and would contain none of the current built-in costs of the income tax based system. Our products would immediately be the most competitive in the world.

Nonsense, how would you even then compete with slave labor manufacturers?

Conversely, a new day would dawn for foreign manufacturers selling in OUR market. Their products would then have to begin to pay taxes in this country; since all products would be taxed AT THE POINT OF SALE.

Tariffs would accomplish this nicely.

98 posted on 04/22/2003 7:56:44 PM PDT by eskimo
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To: EternalVigilance; BartMan1
Having been a retailer, I can tell you that a sales tax is BY FAR the least 'onerous' of any tax.

I don't doubt that part of the equation.

Here's my beef, as succinctly as possible:

I'm not a numbers guy by any means, but I've done ok for myself.

Like many other things in life, I feel tax preparation is best left to the pros (if only for the headaches that a simple error would cause me). In years past I've had complicated stock sales, forced ESOP redemptions, options deals, business expenses, self employment, mortgage, the usual.

Last year I threw in an SCorp for good measure.

The forms made my head spin. I paid my tax guy about $250 and was happy to do it, I can sleep well at night, as far as that goes.

The point is tho, that we've elected the people who have enslaved us to this god forsaken tax code. If we had any sense we'd rise up against them!

The kicker that really ticked me off was that I sold one of my kids' funds to roll it into a tax free 529 fund.

Doing so generated gains of about $860. Since the cutoff is $750, or thereabouts, he had income, in the eyes of the IRS, of $110. I paid my tax guy $65 for the forms and sent $8 to the feds.

This is no way to live.

99 posted on 04/22/2003 7:56:57 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks for the ping.

The Chief pretty much sold me on the NRST.

Wish he were still around.
100 posted on 04/22/2003 8:05:14 PM PDT by KDD
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