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Schroeder Regrets Words That Hit U.S.-German Ties
Reuters ^ | April 19, 2003 | Erik Kirschbaum

Posted on 04/19/2003 2:57:45 PM PDT by jern

BERLIN (Reuters) - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said on Saturday he deeply regretted "exaggerated remarks" critical of U.S. moves against Iraq (news - web sites) that soured his relations with President Bush (news - web sites).

In a further attempt to repair U.S.-German relations strained by his outspoken criticism, Schroeder said he was confident the dispute over Iraq would not cause long-term problems between the two countries.

"I deeply regret there were exaggerated comments -- also from cabinet members of my previous government," Schroeder told Der Spiegel magazine when asked if there were "grounds for self-criticism" for damage he caused to U.S.-German relations.

The declaration was the furthest Schroeder has gone in trying to mend fences with the U.S.

He and his center-left government had criticized U.S. steps against Iraq right up until the war started. In early April, Schroeder began making a slow retreat, saying for the first time he hoped U.S.-led forces would win the war quickly.

Last week he said: "It is always good for mankind when a dictator is removed."

In speeches in his re-election campaign last year, Schroeder derided plans to attack Iraq as a military "adventure" that would "set ablaze" the Middle East, and angered Washington by refusing to send German troops to Iraq under any conditions.

Schroeder said Germany would not "click its heels" and follow the United States into a war.

His stinging criticism of the Bush government, including accusations it changed the goal of disarming Iraq to one of overthrowing President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), was hugely popular in Germany and helped Schroeder come from far behind in surveys to beat challenger Edmund Stoiber in the September election.

Tensions were further worsened just before the election when Schroeder's Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin reportedly compared Bush's political tactics with those of Adolf Hitler -- an analogy she partially denied. Schroeder accepted her resignation shortly after winning a second term.

But Schroeder's sharp language sent the traditionally close relations between the world's first and third largest economic powers into a tailspin. Commentators in Germany called the last eight months an "ice age." Bush Administration officials have called the ties "poisoned."

SCHROEDER'S U-TURN

Bush pointedly did not congratulate Schroeder on his narrow victory. The two have not spoken since November. German media have reported Bush has declined to take calls from Schroeder.

"Even though differences of opinion on this question were so serious, it does not impair transatlantic relations," Schroeder said. "I think political leaders on both sides are professional enough to recognize relations are on a solid foundation."

Schroeder dismissed criticism he was making a U-turn to mend the dispute only after it became clear the United States would win the war.

"I view politics from a rational point of view, and do not like to ride in slipstreams," Schroeder said. "I don't have any problem at all cultivating contacts with the American president. They're necessary and desirable. But to measure this question on how long a handshake lasts is ridiculous."

Several German newspapers and television networks focused on a brief handshake between Schroeder and Bush at a NATO (news - web sites) meeting in November as an indication of the state of the ties.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collateralbenefits; germany; iraqifreedom; nonallygermany; olivebranch; postwariraq; schroeder
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To: JustPiper
France can NEVER be forgiven, NEVER!

Now now, let's not be vindictive. We can be bigger than that. Let's consider forgiving them in 50 years.

61 posted on 04/19/2003 6:08:58 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Open the pod bay door HAL.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Let's consider forgiving them in 50 years.

Well, Mad Tom, maybe ;)

62 posted on 04/19/2003 6:09:48 PM PDT by JustPiper (Anti-War Protestors Are The Terrorist's Bodyguard!!!)
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To: jern
Anyone who thinks Chiraq has acted alone needs to rethink their position. 9/11 was launced from Germany with German intelligence. Go from there. France is nothing, the Germans rule the EU.
63 posted on 04/19/2003 6:18:16 PM PDT by John Lenin (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,)
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To: jern
This, I am afraid, is going to get more painful in the near future and not less. It was not, of course, passing insults on the part of sundry minor functionaries in the German government that are significant, and they never were, no more significant than the carping coming from the usual idiots in Ottawa. But it is significant (and unmentioned) that Schroeder won the last election riding a wave of anti-American sentiment that shows no particular signs of either abating nor of being any less useful as a political lever. It is, however, somewhat touchy at this point to discuss in public.

What will be painful and will not serve to heal the rift is that a redeployment of U.S. troops from German soil is inevitable and perhaps even imminent. This will be perceived as a reply to German policies during the Iraq confrontation - it isn't really any such thing. But it can be made to appear no other way.

NATO has been changed forever, and I think this is beginning to sink in. Brussels blocking support for the Turks in return for an EU membership that now looks impossible was a major problem from the Turks' point of view inasmuch as they risked U.S. displeasure - and are now feeling it, in spades - by disallowing troop movement from their country. In return they got nothing. And now they can no longer trust NATO as an organ of collective security. This is simply a huge political blunder on the part of the EU bureaucracy. And the U.S. is in no particular mood to forgive the Turks, and why should we be?

The French position, in view of (1) their large contracts with a genocidal despot, (2) their ongoing military intervention in Africa, and (3) their willful destruction of UN credibility, is simply contemptible. It isn't often that a single nation's diplomatic policies attempt unsuccessfuly to undercut a neighbor (Blair), destroy both regional and international collective security organs, irritate present EU members, insult upcoming EU members, repeatedly insult the United States' government and even citizens, and wind up with nothing for all that. The only wonder is that they still seem to regard the U.S. as clumsy and unsophisticated. Talleyrand and Richelieu are spinning in their graves.

It is nearly cliche by now to state that the world has changed, but what was not obvious was that to a great degree what it has changed into is not solely a product of U.S. policies, but to those of France, Germany, Turkey, Belgium, and certainly Great Britain, Spain, Italy, Japan, Poland, Denmark, Bulgaria, the Czech republic, and a host of others. This is not a new alignment set in concrete, but it is proof that the old one is shattered beyond repair and no apology can bring it back. Unnoticed in all this portrayal of the U.S. as a maddened elephant run amok is that the power within Europe has shifted, and it cannot be pretended that it will shift back due to wishful thinking. We go forward from here, and if "here" isn't entirely comfortable for some people they have only themselves to blame.

64 posted on 04/19/2003 6:28:41 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: jern
More than words Schroeder. It's also your actions. Your actions to send spies to Iraq to help Iraq plan against us. Your taking money in return for keeping the Iraqi people enslaved while we were trying to free them. For this, you and your country should be condemned. It won't be forgotten any time soon.
65 posted on 04/19/2003 6:38:22 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: The Wizard
Go read this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/896547/posts

This is CYA time for the Germans.
66 posted on 04/19/2003 6:40:23 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: jern
Well, Gerhard, that's awfully nice to hear. We're grateful. Really.

To show what good sports we are about the whole thing, we're going to vacate all those military bases, and give them up to you. More land for your people (call it "lebensraum"!), less of that US military presence that makes you so jittery, and less Americans to be offended by any errant remarks.

We're sure that the extra $5 billion you'll have to spend providing for your own defense, and the sharp decrease in the infusion of the soldiers' US spending dollars, won't trouble your Socialist paradise too much. We're also sure that your fine neighbors and compatriots, the French, will be far happier with the lowered US global military presence that they, too, disparage so. We're sure that they'll appreciate the German Army's resurrection on their border now the the EU is becoming such a world leader.

Best of luck to you both. We're happy that we can help out in this manner.

67 posted on 04/19/2003 6:43:36 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Jemian
We've seen this type of apology before. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

The politics may be smoothed over. What has happened this time is different; the American people have been aroused.
We have long memories.

68 posted on 04/19/2003 6:44:19 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair (Don't be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.)
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To: Tunehead54
When are they up for re-election?


Oops - brain bramage. That all applies to Chiraq. Not Schroeder.

:-(

69 posted on 04/19/2003 7:50:16 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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To: IncPen
check this out, esp #49....
70 posted on 04/19/2003 8:01:06 PM PDT by BartMan1
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To: BartMan1
Very interesting #49.

This is interesting as well:

His stinging criticism of the Bush government, including accusations it changed the goal of disarming Iraq to one of overthrowing President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), was hugely popular in Germany and helped Schroeder come from far behind in surveys to beat challenger Edmund Stoiber in the September election.

A short term tariff on Mercedes, BMWs and Volkswagens would be nice.

Of course, raining down a few JDAMs would be nice as well, but let's not get greedy...

Remember Bushs' parting words to Daschle as he made his appearance on inauguration day?

He shook Daschle's hand, looked him in the eye and said, "Don't ever lie to me".

Bush is not stupid, as so many believe, and he's certainly not to be trifled with.

71 posted on 04/19/2003 8:41:28 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: RockBassCreek
"I do believe, however, that this is a retreat based on economic fears"

Yes, he sees what we're causing to the french economy and is worried they are next on the list. And they are in my house.
This was NO apology.
72 posted on 04/19/2003 8:58:10 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: sistergoldenhair
We have long memories.

you left out something.....

We have VERY long memories.

73 posted on 04/19/2003 9:23:12 PM PDT by Madcelt (With Friends like the Axis of Weasels......who the hell needs an enemy.)
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To: PGalt
"It is always good for mankind when a dictator is removed."

You beat me to it! There's an endless supply of two-bit politicians in Germany -- They can flush this one now and get it over with . . .

74 posted on 04/19/2003 9:26:39 PM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: jern
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said on Saturday he deeply regretted "exaggerated remarks" critical of U.S. moves against Iraq that soured his relations with President Bush.

That's nice. But he hasn't addressed the "exaggerated remarks" of his and his fellow countrymen that have soured Freeper Eala.

75 posted on 04/19/2003 9:53:49 PM PDT by Eala (irrelevant (î-rèl´e-vent) 1: The United Nations 2: France 3: CNN 4: Tim Robbins 5: PBS 6:Germany)
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To: section9
Remember Condi Rice's rule of postwar politics:"Punish France, ignore Germany, and forgive Russia."

I had not heard that before. That's good. Okay, "6:Germany" goes off the list.

76 posted on 04/19/2003 9:56:10 PM PDT by Eala (irrelevant (î-rèl´e-vent) 1: The United Nations 2: France 3: CNN 4: Tim Robbins 5: PBS)
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To: Eala
Boycott FRANCE, boycott GERMANY. Keep the economic pressure ON....
77 posted on 04/19/2003 10:00:27 PM PDT by Gopher Broke (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
To: German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder

From: United States President, George W. Bush

Topic: Your Apology

I am pleased to see that you have come to your senses,
and that you have mustered the manhood to apologize
in public. I know it must have taken difficult for you.

I can only say "Sorry, not accepted."
"Nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh!"

78 posted on 04/19/2003 10:11:09 PM PDT by rundy
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To: rundy
taken = been
79 posted on 04/19/2003 10:14:37 PM PDT by rundy
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To: George W. Bush
Germany allowed overflights because they want their Pilots and Air Defense Artillery folks in Texas trained in the future, no doubt. Without training, they would have the same performance as Soviet equipment in any conflict 18-months down the road:)
80 posted on 04/19/2003 10:19:48 PM PDT by Jumper (All Hale)
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