10 years after Waco siege, police face another standoff (Gun Barrel City) - rehash of Waco debacle

The Dallas Morning News ^ | April 19, 2003 | By DAVE HIOTT / The Dallas Morning News

[MeekOneGOP]

Most of this article is a re-hash of the Waco, Texas Branch Davidian disaster. I expect (hope) this one turns out better.

[thoughtomator]

10 years later and they're still debating whether they did the right thing? Here's a hint... if you're going after US citizens with tanks, chances are you've exceeded your Constitutional authority!

[weegee]

BUMP (also for later read, I know these communities of Gun Barrel City and Mabank).

[E. Pluribus Unum]

"I think there was a belief that if you put enough pressure on this group that has killed federal agents...

The Branch Davidians did not kill any federal agents until the federal agents conducted an armed assault on their home.

I hope every single one of the BATF goons present that day suffer long, lingering, painful cancer deaths.

[_Jim]

No 'rule of law' for you huh ...

[sinkspur]

I hope every single one of the BATF goons present that day suffer long, lingering, painful cancer deaths.

Why don't you stick out your tongue at them too?

[Henrietta]

People only have respect for the law when the law has respect for them.

The Feds could have arrested Koresh on numerous occasions when he went on his daily jogs outside of the compound. Instead, they chose to put on their ninja gear, fire up the heavy armour, and make a big show of their "might." And many innocent people were killed by their own government.

So if that's what "rule of law" means, then to that I say, "No, thank you."

[_Jim]

if you're going after US citizens with tanks,

Another opinion formed as a result of a failure to read the article or know what truely transpired -

- the Davadians were armed, they fired on those surronding the compound with regularity, they had weaponry up through 50 caliber - YOU tell US what it's safe to be 'riding around in'.

[_Jim]

The Feds could have arrested

An old saw oft repeated with no basis in proof.

Vernon Wayne Howell and his henchmen had the compound and the area roads *around* the compound under surveilance 'round the clock - the sight of armed federalis rolling down the road in plain brown wrapped Caprices would have resulted in a radio call to Howell and the beginning of 'siege' right then and there ...

"Due Process" to a Davidian was whatever Vernon Wayne Howell decteed it to be - JUST ask those surviving children if that ain't true ...

[Fred Mertz]

I see you have the weekend shift, underscoreJim.

Van Zandt and Coulson are the designated fed propagandists, so I discount most of this article as bunk.

[_Jim]

so I discount most of this article as bunk.

Face it - ANYTHNG not in agreement with the opinions you formed while watching McNutty's propaganda piece Waco: Rules of Engagement is bunk.

[_Jim]

decteed it to be ==> "decreed it to be"

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

the Davadians were armed, they fired on those surronding the compound with regularity, they had weaponry up through 50 caliber - YOU tell US what it's safe to be 'riding around in'.

Thats funny the film i have of the event show no firing coming from the compound but atf agents fireing feircly at the compound one agent shot himself in the leg 2 agents go in a window and imediatly after another agent throws in a grenade then returning gunfire comes from the room through the wall looks to me like the atf agents were eliminating each other .

Waco: The Big Lie

Linda Thompson

Using outakes of satellite footage shot by a local news station, director Linda Thompson paints a chilling portrait of the ATF and FBI's military assault on the Branch Davidian's compound in Waco. Thompson argues convincingly that the ATF's initial assault on Mt. Carmel was legally grounded on nothing more than a $200 weapons surchage that Koresh had failed to pay. With proof of that in their back pocket, the ATF called out U.S. Army gunships, and attacked the compound with dozens of stoked, reckless agents employing massive gunpower. The footage on this video demonstrates that the Branch Davidians did not meet the ATF with "a hail of gunfire." You'll see unthreatened ATF agents riddling the front of the compound with gunfire, fully aware that inside were dozens of women and children. The ATF had plenty of time to shoot not only the house; they fired on themselves, other agents, children playing outside, long before a Branch Davidian fired a single shot in self defense. The video also details the FBI's effective bamboozlement of a compliant press, but the most controversial part of the tape comes at the end, when Thompson provides footage allegedly showing government tanks with flamethrowers that she contends set the fire that killed all 89 people inside. You may (and should) question some of what this video contends, but it does contain actual footage of a government attacking its own citizens. Not that that hasn't happened before. But now it's on videotape.

[_Jim]

What crap.

You EVEN have the gall to include work by the already discredited so-called director Linda Thompson .

[_Jim]

From *your* tagline:

    If your [instead of "you're"] not bruising your heel ..

Ahem ... your 'level' of education is showing ...

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Three years? Waste of damn time and money. Time for Darwin's broom to sweep that goofy little compound, and to find a sheriff with a pair. You can't enable armed standoffs, because they spread like cancer among the goofy, and while I completely understand some reluctance on the part of the sheriff if he knows these people, 3 years is too much.

On a side note, wonder if they cut off their internet access in there, and what this guys FReeper handle is?

[arthurus]

debate whether greater patience could have changed the outcome.

Greater patience would only have allowed the attack plan to be further improved in order to preclude any survivors at all.

[DAnconia55]

Interesting... nothing in this article says what the warrants are issued for in this new case.

They're trying to convict this guy with another case.

[AAABEST]

Concerned about the children because of sex abuse allegations against Mr. Koresh, Ms. Reno approved the plan on April 17 after several days of debate.

Sycophant alert, the author's polluted mind revealed. The "I did it for the children" excuse reported as fact beyond doubt. Throw the entire article in the toilet where it belongs.