Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic

Weekly Standard (via Matt Drudge) ^ | April 17, 2003 | SB00

[SB00]

TOM DASCHLE may no longer call himself a Catholic. The Senate minority leader and the highest ranking Democrat in Washington has been sent a letter by his home diocese of Sioux Falls, sources in South Dakota have told The Weekly Standard, directing him to remove from his congressional biography and campaign documents all references to his standing as a member of the Catholic Church.

This isn't exactly excommunication--which is unnecessary, in any case, since Daschle made himself ineligible for communion almost 20 years ago with his divorce and remarriage to a Washington lobbyist. The directive from Sioux Falls' Bishop Robert Carlson is rather something less than excommunication--and, at the same time, something more: a declaration that Tom Daschle's religious identification constitutes, in technical Catholic vocabulary, a grave public scandal. He was brought up as a Catholic, and he may still be in some sort of genuine mental and spiritual relation to the Church. Who besides his confessor could say? But Daschle's consistent political opposition to Catholic teachings on moral issues--abortion, in particular--has made him such a problem for ordinary churchgoers that the Church must deny him the use of the word "Catholic."

[plain talk]

"To forgive is to remove." Sort of. I guess my bible studies on this have consistently taught me that sin has not been completely "removed" as you state, but that it's as if the sin has been removed. There's a huge difference in these two interpretations. We constantly sin every day and we pray for forgiveness even though the forgiveness has already been given. If we did not live in a state of sin there would be no need to pray for forgiveness would there? So the sin is still there to a Holy God although he does not see it as He just sees Christ who is our redeemer and savior. No human has lived on this planet without sin except for Christ. Romans 3:10: "As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;..."" I guess I am thinking past salvation and the fact that we will all be held accountable for our actions. This gets to the doctrine of sanctification.

[Onelifetogive]

Grow up and do some reading.

Is denying the Spanish Inquisition similar to denying the Holocaust??

You are in good company, wideawake!

[Protagoras]

I thought your ribbing was apt.

It's all about ribbing, we all (Christians) have more in common than that which separates us.

[AdA$tra]

Here^ (pdf) is another article about the Governor of Kansas and Catholic issues.

I cant find the link to the Strecker letter itself but here is the exact quote and source: "Rep. Kathleen Sebelius of Topeka lead the death-march of the unborn to the aboution clinics in the house of represenatives. She was attempting to make the 'Death-Marches' to the abortion clinics as legal as the death-marches to the gas chambers of the World War II Holocaust." Archbishop Ignatius Strecker - Archdiocese of Kansas City - from "The Silent & Suffering Church in Kansas", The Leaven. P.3 3-27-92

[BooBoo1000]

Makes one almost proud to be a Presbyterian, not really.

[finnman69]

The Internantional Brotherhood of Tiny People asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a leader.

They also accused him of wearing lifts in his shoes.

[nicmarlo]

TOM DASCHLE may no longer call himself a Catholic. The Senate minority leader and the highest ranking Democrat in Washington has been sent a letter by his home diocese of Sioux Falls, sources in South Dakota have told The Weekly Standard, directing him to remove from his congressional biography and campaign documents all references to his standing as a member of the Catholic Church.

I sincerely apologize if, on this long thread, I overlooked your name and you got pinged.....but I felt this was quite important. It is highly unusual, IMHO, for a church to ask that a member not identify him/herself with that church....highly unsual.

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DASCHOLE PING!

(Please Freepmail me if you want on/off my Daschle ping.)

[AdA$tra]

Makes one almost proud to be a Presbyterian, not really.

I was born and raised Presbyterian. It was a decent preparation for my coming home to the Catholic Church.

[plain talk]

Yes, faith and works and their complicated relationship. Faith should drive good works or maybe the faith is not there, right? That's what strengthens my faith and convinces me this gospel is not of this world. It is virtually impossible for my small mind to balance all of these doctrines. sin and righteousness, salvation and judgment, works and faith. If one homes on portions of the doctrine while not keeping it in context with the others, one distorts the gospel. I frankly struggle with this.

[wideawake]

Is denying the Spanish Inquisition similar to denying the Holocaust??

Who denied the Spanish Inquisition?

There were also anti-Jewish pogroms in the Rhineland in the 800s, in England in the 1100s and smaller ones in Southern France at various times during the age of Catholic Europe.

However, localized outbreaks of hostility and violence over a period of more than a thousand years do not sum up a Church or a culture.

The vast majority of the world's Jews lived in Catholic Europe because they knew that such incidents were aberrations from the norm and that they were much safer in a Catholic environment than they were in an Islamic or pagan one.

Your attempt to paint me with an anti-Semitic brush is duly noted, however.

The tactics you use to hide your shortcomings in logic and history are beneath contempt.

[demosthenes the elder]

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HAH-hahahhahahahahahahaha!!!

[SoothingDave]

All the Kennedys get a pass, including one that entitles them to make their children illegitimate by forced annullment of their marriage.

An act of nullity does nothing to make children "illegitimate."

SD

[wideawake]

By confessing our sins and committing ourselves to the Lord's grace, he wipes away our sins.

In order to do this we have to take up our cross and follow him every day - sometimes we stumble through our weakness and slide back into sin, sometimes his strength keeps us from falling and we remain in his grace.

He is always there and present to guide us. Sanctification is a process.

[js1138]

Perhaps not in the eyes of the law, but what else is the point of saying a marriage never existed -- particularly when the request is made against the will of one of the partners, and by a POS Kennedy who just wants to get laid by another woman?

[JohnnyZ]

So called "protestants" sought a return to the church, not a new deal.

"The successors to Peter aren't the successors to Peter, we are the real successors to Paul?"

I don't see how that means people can't call Catholicism a religion and must refer to it as a denomination, which was your "point" in the first place.

[Marysecretary]

Ooh, how sweeeet it isss!

[AdA$tra]

This story keeps making me think of our new governor for some reason. (hehehe)

I really like the ring of that Strecker quote:
"Rep. Kathleen Sebelius of Topeka lead the death-march of the unborn to the aboution clinics in the house of represenatives. She was attempting to make the 'Death-Marches' to the abortion clinics as legal as the death-marches to the gas chambers of the World War II Holocaust." Archbishop Ignatius Strecker - Archdiocese of Kansas City

Sorry...just wanted to hear that again.

I posted some other Sebelius stuff on here today 'cause it struck me the same way

[Protagoras]

Makes one almost proud to be a Presbyterian, not really.

It will be a good thing again someday. As soon as the non-Christians currently at the top are removed. It's one of the nice things about not having a top down church polity, these creeps are an embarassment, but they don't make a big difference at the congregational level.

[lorrainer]

Forget excommunication for this putz. How about an exorcism?

When is his term up?

[Marysecretary]

Maybe his little but(t) will be thrown out next election???