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US tax returns to India causing stir
THE TIMES OF INDIA ^ | APRIL 16, 2003 | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

Posted on 04/16/2003 5:04:31 PM PDT by John Lenin

WASHINGTON: Millions of Americans sweated it out on Tuesday, struggling to meet the deadline - April 15 - for filing their annual tax returns as accountants and post offices stayed open late to accommodate the laggards. Many will be hoping the Indians have lived up to their reputation for sound number-crunching.

 

In keeping with the great outsourcing trend that has swept across American businesses, thousands of US tax returns are now being processed in India, a development that has led to quite a stir in the accounting community. Numbers are hard to pin down, but according to Kishore Mirchandani, president of Outsource Partners International, the firm that claims to have triggered the development, more than 10,000 returns went to India for scrutiny this year.

 

The accounting firm Ernst and Young alone is believed to have forwarded 7500 American tax returns to its subsidiary in India after transferring a tax partner familiar with US tax laws there. Scores of other smaller accounting firms have also sent returns numbering hundreds to India after a pilot study last year showed encouraging results.

 

"The business is still in its infancy, but we are looking at over 100,000 returns going to India this coming year," says Mirchandani, whose firm has a 300-person operation in Bangalore and is looking to expand because of the growing demand. Several traditional American firms are also lining up to send returns to India, after pilot projects showed significant reductions in costs and turn-around times.

 

"More and more firms are jumping on the bandwagon after seeing the results. They seem very satisfied with the quality, not to speak of the speed and cost factors," says Bill Carlino, Editor-in-Chief of the journal Accounting Today, which has tracked the trend over the past year.

 

Expectedly, not everyone is thrilled with the outsourcing of what some regard as sensitive financial information. In the latest issue, the magazine Practical Accountant ran a column by a New York accounting professor questioning the trend on grounds of security and job loss to Americans.

 

"If you were to stop by any downtown skyscraper where Ernst & Young has an office, I guarantee that you could not just walk to the elevators and go up to the company's offices. You would be stopped by at least one security officer before you got anywhere near the elevator bank," wrote Prof Lloyd Caroll, head of the accounting department at Manhattan Borough Community College. "Yet the company does not appear to be troubled by the notion of putting taxpayer security in peril by sending returns out of the United States."

 

"The very notion of transmitting confidential tax data - from Social Security and employer identification numbers to financial information - to any foreign country, even Canada, borders on the reprehensible at best, and is treasonous at worst," Caroll fumed.

 

But accounting firms say security is a non-issue. What they are moving to India are only images and the original data remains with the US firm. The software used by the firms is also web-enabled and is accessed by the Indian subsidiary through a server in US.

 

Firms also reported a 50 to 60 per cent cost reduction, besides improved scrutiny because they are able to hire better qualified people. In the US, simple returns are often viewed by junior staff who are not CPAs.

 

Although the pilot studies of last year involved sending simple low end returns, some firms such as Toronto's Horwath Ornstein are now said to be sending high-end returns. In turn, firms are also posting Indian-American CPAs qualified in US tax laws to India

to oversee the work.

 

"The accounting profession in India itself has improved a great deal and quality should not be a problem," says Ram Ganesan, a Maryland-based CPA, who practices in the United States but sees outsourcing as an encouraging trend.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Government
KEYWORDS: accounting; ey; india; outsourcing
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To: george wythe
Hey, the insurance companies already do it. You just *think* the IRS has 'personal' data. What about your health insurance company? They have all sorts of personal data...it's being outsourced as you type...
41 posted on 04/16/2003 5:45:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: ptomsiaresool
$40,000 per in Florida equals about $65,000 out there. It's much cheaper to live down here, but then again that will change when enough liberals figure that out and move down here and ruin it.
42 posted on 04/16/2003 5:47:20 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: george wythe
"This is disgusting, sharing my personal information with all sort of Third World countries."

I can see a tax revolt on the horizon if this gets wide play in the media.
43 posted on 04/16/2003 5:48:41 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: george wythe
Supposedly we could try to repeal the law of supply and demand. Or ban the use of international data circuits. Or we could follow the socialists in Europe and demand that databases be licensed and periodically reviewed by the government.
44 posted on 04/16/2003 5:49:45 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: John Lenin
Can we outsource lawyering? That would put a dent in the Democrats' coffers!
45 posted on 04/16/2003 5:50:38 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: Brad Cloven
Already being done. There aren't many jobs that can't be outsourced.
46 posted on 04/16/2003 5:51:17 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Cultural Jihad
Or just demand personal tax information on American citizens remain within the boundaries of America. (Where theft and misuse of said information can be prosecuted) Simple.
47 posted on 04/16/2003 5:52:26 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Thanks for the heads up.

I'll check with my health insurance. If my insurance is sharing my data with other countries, I will lobby my company to switch to another insurance.

Too many questionable business practices are not being exposed.

We need to shed sunshine on all the people who affect our lives, not just our politicians.

Al Gore had no idea how empowering the Internet would become when he invented it, and I hope this is just the beginning.

Informed sheeple will become empowered sheeple.

48 posted on 04/16/2003 5:52:57 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
You nailed it on the head. I'm currently looking into the possibility of purchasing a local business, something like commercial refrigeration or HVAC. Jobs that they don't train for in China or India, and jobs that have to be done on site.

Pretty sad to have to think this way. We have been betrayed.
49 posted on 04/16/2003 5:53:49 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Black Agnes
I heard that some of those legal call centers and "credit counseling agencies" are actually in Manila and New Delhi. I'd love to find out if that rumor is true, my attorney would go spastic over that.
50 posted on 04/16/2003 5:54:03 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: Cultural Jihad
At this point, I will not advocate any government interference, unless laws are being broken.

Popular reaction will shame these companies into doing what is best for their customers and workers.

51 posted on 04/16/2003 5:55:18 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Beck_isright
"just what the hell will we do for economic growth?????"

A: Create new things. In the long run, computers and low cost manufacturers will reproduce any process and any thing the creative mind can come up with. NEW IDEAS are where value lies. If you cannot think, you will be competing with an Indian programmer or a Chinese factory worker.

It is a pity our schools are largely useless.

52 posted on 04/16/2003 5:55:22 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: george wythe
You're kidding, right? 'Popular reaction'? LOL. If American accountants weren't so fat, lazy and greedy the poor corporations wouldn't have to do this you know.
53 posted on 04/16/2003 5:57:17 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Beck_isright
There are huge data pipelines running to the so-called Third World, and well-educated professionals there are providing needed services to Americans. All the rest is merely Chicken Little drama.
54 posted on 04/16/2003 5:57:59 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Brad Cloven
You don't think Indians and Chinese can or will be able to think? That sounds kinda racist. They can 'think' just fine. Once we 'prime' their economies with our money they'll do just fine. They won't make the mistake of exporting jobs or importing foreigners to work more cheaply as we've done. (Try to get a tech job in India, even at Indian wages) We'll be screwed however.
55 posted on 04/16/2003 5:58:58 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Plumbing, carpentry and electrical unions control entry into those trades. By the time all the relatives of current union workers and the affirmative action types get the apprentice jobs, you are out of luck. Period. Sorry, pal.
56 posted on 04/16/2003 6:00:24 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: george wythe
'Popular reaction'? Dream on.
57 posted on 04/16/2003 6:01:29 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Black Agnes
Exactly. With efficient mass production, and the costs of transportation and local tech support, most consumer items it is cheaper to throw them away and buy new ones than it is to get them repaired.
58 posted on 04/16/2003 6:04:17 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: John Lenin
There is a good chance the Indians will lose the forms and the IRS will have to sue them.
59 posted on 04/16/2003 6:06:19 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (ax accountant)
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To: Cultural Jihad
I'll do my part.

I do business with this accounting firm, and I'm also in a position to influence the selection of health insurance provider for my company.

If only 0.1% of Americans e-mail their accountants, they can stop this in its tracks.

60 posted on 04/16/2003 6:06:42 PM PDT by george wythe
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