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US tax returns to India causing stir
THE TIMES OF INDIA ^ | APRIL 16, 2003 | CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

Posted on 04/16/2003 5:04:31 PM PDT by John Lenin

WASHINGTON: Millions of Americans sweated it out on Tuesday, struggling to meet the deadline - April 15 - for filing their annual tax returns as accountants and post offices stayed open late to accommodate the laggards. Many will be hoping the Indians have lived up to their reputation for sound number-crunching.

 

In keeping with the great outsourcing trend that has swept across American businesses, thousands of US tax returns are now being processed in India, a development that has led to quite a stir in the accounting community. Numbers are hard to pin down, but according to Kishore Mirchandani, president of Outsource Partners International, the firm that claims to have triggered the development, more than 10,000 returns went to India for scrutiny this year.

 

The accounting firm Ernst and Young alone is believed to have forwarded 7500 American tax returns to its subsidiary in India after transferring a tax partner familiar with US tax laws there. Scores of other smaller accounting firms have also sent returns numbering hundreds to India after a pilot study last year showed encouraging results.

 

"The business is still in its infancy, but we are looking at over 100,000 returns going to India this coming year," says Mirchandani, whose firm has a 300-person operation in Bangalore and is looking to expand because of the growing demand. Several traditional American firms are also lining up to send returns to India, after pilot projects showed significant reductions in costs and turn-around times.

 

"More and more firms are jumping on the bandwagon after seeing the results. They seem very satisfied with the quality, not to speak of the speed and cost factors," says Bill Carlino, Editor-in-Chief of the journal Accounting Today, which has tracked the trend over the past year.

 

Expectedly, not everyone is thrilled with the outsourcing of what some regard as sensitive financial information. In the latest issue, the magazine Practical Accountant ran a column by a New York accounting professor questioning the trend on grounds of security and job loss to Americans.

 

"If you were to stop by any downtown skyscraper where Ernst & Young has an office, I guarantee that you could not just walk to the elevators and go up to the company's offices. You would be stopped by at least one security officer before you got anywhere near the elevator bank," wrote Prof Lloyd Caroll, head of the accounting department at Manhattan Borough Community College. "Yet the company does not appear to be troubled by the notion of putting taxpayer security in peril by sending returns out of the United States."

 

"The very notion of transmitting confidential tax data - from Social Security and employer identification numbers to financial information - to any foreign country, even Canada, borders on the reprehensible at best, and is treasonous at worst," Caroll fumed.

 

But accounting firms say security is a non-issue. What they are moving to India are only images and the original data remains with the US firm. The software used by the firms is also web-enabled and is accessed by the Indian subsidiary through a server in US.

 

Firms also reported a 50 to 60 per cent cost reduction, besides improved scrutiny because they are able to hire better qualified people. In the US, simple returns are often viewed by junior staff who are not CPAs.

 

Although the pilot studies of last year involved sending simple low end returns, some firms such as Toronto's Horwath Ornstein are now said to be sending high-end returns. In turn, firms are also posting Indian-American CPAs qualified in US tax laws to India

to oversee the work.

 

"The accounting profession in India itself has improved a great deal and quality should not be a problem," says Ram Ganesan, a Maryland-based CPA, who practices in the United States but sees outsourcing as an encouraging trend.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Government
KEYWORDS: accounting; ey; india; outsourcing
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To: The_Media_never_lie
There is no value add. The Indians will work for pennies on the dollar. That's the point of outsourcing overseas. There is *no* job that can't be done either by workers overseas for way less money, or by importing said workers on H1B or L1 visas to this country and paying them pennies on the dollar. BOHICA American taxpayers and workers. If your job hasn't been outsourced or 'in'sourced, it will be soon.
21 posted on 04/16/2003 5:25:54 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Arkinsaw
You mean like they'll do any day now to get back at us turning our back on the U.N.
22 posted on 04/16/2003 5:26:03 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: monkeywrench
"Haven't you heard? Why we'll do "what we do best". Whatever that is."

Great, a nation of 280 million Homer Simpsons. Just what we need.
23 posted on 04/16/2003 5:26:47 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: Beck_isright
Well, the China sellout didn't stop when bubba left office. They did manage to get MFN status under the current administration IIRC.
24 posted on 04/16/2003 5:26:53 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: ptomsiaresool
I feel sorry for you except that you live in the Bay Area. You should move to Florida like everyone else is. Of course all the 7-11 jobs have been filled.</sarcasm off
25 posted on 04/16/2003 5:27:37 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: Black Agnes
The only differences in China policy I've noted since the last election is this President has a "R" by his name on the ballot and the other one had a "D".
26 posted on 04/16/2003 5:29:05 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: ptomsiaresool
I am now unemployed and this just bunrs my ass... I live in california Bay Area and all i see is Indians with pregnant wifes.... Now they have it both ways.... Civil unrest will only be a matter of time......

Somehow I can have a hard time picturing a bunch of tekkies rioting in South/Central LA.

I do lots of offshore outsourcing, and there's nothing I'd rather see than a law that forces me (along with my competitors) to hire US citizens. Until the victims come to understand that politics is simply "violence in slow motion", nothing will change.

27 posted on 04/16/2003 5:30:42 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: John Lenin

LOL!

28 posted on 04/16/2003 5:30:58 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Beck_isright
Making forty thousand a year I just get bye living in a studio apartment... Like I could ever afford a house here..LOL.... To bad my dad divorced my mom and sold two prime properties to support his whore.. Everything is gone.. And he was a chief financial officer, made sure it was all gone then he conviently died of a heart attack....Last year. I am still paying for his buriel..Twenty six hundred to go and counting....LOL<>Life.
29 posted on 04/16/2003 5:31:39 PM PDT by ptomsiaresool
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To: John Lenin
Wow! I can hardly believe this. I'm totally wigged out. Checking with my accountant ASAP.
30 posted on 04/16/2003 5:33:46 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: John Lenin
Here's the job future in America. Young (and not so young) people will have to receive training in skills that are not easily exportable.

You can't send the leaking plumbing in your house to India for repair. If your heat pump stops working, you won't send it overseas for repair. If you need a new transmission in your car, you won't send it to China for a rebuild.

31 posted on 04/16/2003 5:34:20 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
They'll just manufacture things so cheaply it won't pay to have them repaired. When was the last time you had a TV repaired, or VCR or tuner or....?
32 posted on 04/16/2003 5:35:52 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: John Lenin
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS! It's hard enough to try to keep things private when the U.S. laws are hanging over people. But to send our tax returns outside of the U.S.? No law applies to violations of privacy in this case. And, as someone else points out, identity theft will be rampant, as well as other abuses. Whoever authorized this needs to go to jail.
33 posted on 04/16/2003 5:37:39 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: lilylangtree
You shouldn't sweat this at all. India has skyscrapers filled with very productive programmers and other professionals. If you call a toll free number to complain, say, about the use of foreign workers, your call may get answered in Manilla where an English-speaking, college educated professional will courteously handle your call.
34 posted on 04/16/2003 5:38:04 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
While he surreptitiously prints out 10 SS cards in your name and authorizes just as many credit cards and loans. *laugh*.
35 posted on 04/16/2003 5:39:11 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
As if that couldn't happen in Tokinville, Iowa.
36 posted on 04/16/2003 5:40:16 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
You can prosecute someone in Tonkinville, IA. What're you gonna do to someone in Malaysia? Whistle? Do you think you'd get international law enforcement effort on this for your piddly butt? Nope. You'd be SOL.
37 posted on 04/16/2003 5:41:23 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: John Lenin
Meet your IRS: Punja Chakrabarti


38 posted on 04/16/2003 5:44:19 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Politics = Poly + Ticks = Many bloodsucking vermin)
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To: John Lenin
BTTT for later...
39 posted on 04/16/2003 5:44:27 PM PDT by EdReform (Thank You to ALL Freepers and Lurkers who support Free Republic!)
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This is disgusting, sharing my personal information with all sort of Third World countries.

Instead of waiting for the government to do anything about it, we should start the ball rolling right now.

What about a good old Freep to these accounting firms?

How many Americans will agree to have their personal information "images" sent all over the world?

If the word gets out, this will stop. The customer outrage will shame these businesses into stopping this practice.

I'm e-mailing my accountant right now: "Don't even think about outsourcing my tax return next year."

40 posted on 04/16/2003 5:44:42 PM PDT by george wythe
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