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Author of the The Real Lincoln to speak TODAY at George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia

Posted on 04/16/2003 5:44:44 AM PDT by Lady Eileen

Washington, DC-area Freepers interested in Lincoln and/or the War Between the States should take note of a seminar held later today on the Fairfax campus of George Mason University:

The conventional wisdom in America is that Abraham Lincoln was a great emancipator who preserved American liberties.  In recent years, new research has portrayed a less-flattering Lincoln that often behaved as a self-seeking politician who catered to special interest groups. So which is the real Lincoln? 

On Wednesday, April 16, Thomas DiLorenzo, a former George Mason University professor of Economics, will host a seminar on that very topic. It will highlight his controversial but influential new book, The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War.  In the Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo exposes the conventional wisdom of Lincoln as based on fallacies and myths propagated by our political leaders and public education system. 

The seminar, which will be held in Rooms 3&4 of the GMU Student Union II, will start at 5:00 PM.  Copies of the book will be available for sale during a brief autograph session after the seminar. 


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: burkedavis; civilwar; dixie; dixielist; economics; fairfax; georgemason; gmu; liberty; lincoln; reparations; slavery; thomasdilorenzo; warbetweenthestates
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To: rebelyell
YEP!

the last time i counted, there were 59 federal agencies with police.

what do they all do, besides waste taxpayers money??? do we REALLY want to know???

free dixie,sw

481 posted on 04/18/2003 9:59:32 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: rebelyell
WELL SAID!

FRee dixie,sw

482 posted on 04/18/2003 10:05:26 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: Non-Sequitur; GOPcapitalist
Davis and the confederate congress conspired to eliminate an entire branch of government.

GOPCap is right about this, as usual. I found the following in Davis' "State of the Union" address to the Confederate Congress on Feb 26, 1862:

I invite the attention of Congress to the duty of organizing a supreme court of the Confederate States, in accordance with the mandate of the Constitution.

483 posted on 04/18/2003 10:06:11 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: stand watie
...the USMS & the postal cops. (we'd have to amend the Constitution to get rid of those.)

Say what?

484 posted on 04/18/2003 10:07:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
the US Marshals & the Postal Inspectors are mentioned in the Constitution.

you should have known that!

GOT YA!

FRee dixie,sw

485 posted on 04/18/2003 10:16:40 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: stand watie
the US Marshals & the Postal Inspectors are mentioned in the Constitution

Where?

486 posted on 04/18/2003 10:19:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
Now there someone goes again...confusing these war criminal apologists with facts!
487 posted on 04/18/2003 10:20:21 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: rustbucket
So where was it?
488 posted on 04/18/2003 10:23:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
N-S, i'm not where i can go look right now & am on the way to work.

let that be your project for the day. reading the Constitution is good for the soul;going to get a copy yourself is good for the soles.

free dixie,sw

489 posted on 04/18/2003 10:26:14 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: stand watie
let that be your project for the day. reading the Constitution is good for the soul;going to get a copy yourself is good for the soles.

Sole, soul, whatever.

Anyway I have read it. Infact, here's a link to it. So where is it?

490 posted on 04/18/2003 10:29:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rebelyell
Davis had no problems keeping his revolving door of a cabinet staffed, in spite of the fact that it was not a constitutional requirement. He was appointing people with or without congressional approval as late as January 1865. So why not a supreme court that was required?
491 posted on 04/18/2003 10:31:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Same place as Lincoln's obedience to the US Constitution.
492 posted on 04/18/2003 10:45:05 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Same place as Lincoln's obedience to the US Constitution.

So you're saying that Davis was no better than President Lincoln?

493 posted on 04/18/2003 10:47:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
So you're saying that Davis was no better than President Lincoln?

I made no value judgement about Davis. In answer to your question, I pointed out that the Confederate Supreme Court was in the same place as Lincoln's obedience to the US Constitution. In other words, it didn't exist. That is the point you have been making all along, isn't it?

GOPCapitalist has discussed why the Confederate Supreme Court didn't exist. If you have some facts to contribute, I'd be happy to listen to them.

494 posted on 04/18/2003 11:13:16 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
In answer to your question, I pointed out that the Confederate Supreme Court was in the same place as Lincoln's obedience to the US Constitution. In other words, it didn't exist. That is the point you have been making all along, isn't it?

On the contrary, the U.S. Supreme Court was alive and well and making judicial decisions on a whole host cases. Some went against the adminsitration and some were decided in its favor. To say that President Lincoln or the Union government totally ignored the Supreme Court in the same manner that the Davis regime ignored the supreme court is utter nonsense.

GOPCapitalist has discussed why the Confederate Supreme Court didn't exist. If you have some facts to contribute, I'd be happy to listen to them.

No, the fact that the Davis regime and the confederate congress conspired to eliminate a branch of government required by their constitution speaks volumes.

495 posted on 04/18/2003 11:19:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
Who's going to be the one to tell him that we've finally figured out his malfunction? That reading comprehension can be tricky when you are an opininated blowhard trying to revise history.
496 posted on 04/18/2003 11:41:13 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: rebelyell
Who's going to be the one to tell him that we've finally figured out his malfunction?

How about you?

497 posted on 04/18/2003 12:23:15 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Oh please, GOP, you're all over the board on this one. First you say it wasn't a duel but instead a question of a Southern 'gentlemen' satisfying his honor by mugging unarmed older man?

Oh, so now Brooks "mugged" Sumner. And you call me "all over the board" on this issue?

Then you claim he just had to bring a second along because dueling tradition required it, even though it wasn't a duel?

No, items covered by a code of seeking recourse of honor in general bring along a section, be that course a duel, caning, sword fight, joust, beating or what have you.

Why not call it what is was?

I am calling it what it was, Non-Seq. It was a caning by an individual seeking satisfaction from an insult to his honor. He conducted that caning under, and with the guidance of, traditional chivalric honor codes, which state very clearly that, while dueling and other such combats may settle a matter between peers, an insult to honor from a social inferior (i.e. a vagrant or other societal low life) is properly met by caning, beating, or other such act. Brooks considered Sumner, with some merit mind you, to be the equivalent of a vagrant and treated him accordingly.

Two men got together and half-killed another

How can you "half kill" somebody, non-seq? The act of killing either occurs or it does not - there is no in between.

unarmed man for what they saw as an insult to their relative?

I don't believe Brooks' second was related to Butler.

Why toss in this crap about dueling when that wasn't their intention in the first place.

Because the same code that governed dueling led Brooks to cane Sumner. Simply put, had Sumner been a gentleman rather than a vagrant, he would have been challenged to a duel. And if you think Preston Brooks was simply trying to avoid dueling, you don't know much about Preston Brooks. But since, under historical codes of dueling and other combats of honor, gentlemen do not duel with those who are not their peers, a caning was chosen.

Homicide was.

If that is so, you should be able to prove the intent. But looking at the facts of the case, you will never be able to prove that it was anything other than a good beating for the recompensation of honor.

Oh, and quit trying to pass Sumner off as a decrepit old senior citizen. He may have been cranky all the time and probably smelt funny like many old people, but at the time of the 1846 beating Sumner was a grand total of about 45 years of age.

498 posted on 04/18/2003 12:55:44 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: rebelyell
Many thanks for the kind words. There are several here on the other side of this debate who seem to think that, by posting lengthy indulgences in the arts of equivocation and bloviation, they can work their way around more substantive factual material. It can be exhausting work, but the only way to truly put them back in line is to offer a detailed response. My own time is limited, so I prefer to reserve it for special circumstances. I believe Spooner to be one such circumstances, simply in light of how remarkable his take on the war was.
499 posted on 04/18/2003 1:01:27 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur
No, the fact that the Davis regime and the confederate congress conspired to eliminate a branch of government required by their constitution speaks volumes.

That must've been quite a conspiracy, non-seq. Would you mind providing some documentation of it? I ask because all the facts suggest that significant dissent from Davis occurred in the Senate and among several state governors. Some even called for Davis' resignation. You see, non-seq, unlike the legislature of yankeeland with Lincoln, the confederate congress did not simply rubber stamp anything and everything Davis wanted. If you doubt me, go look up a biography or two about Pendleton Murrah.

500 posted on 04/18/2003 1:06:23 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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