Author of the The Real Lincoln to speak TODAY at George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia

[Lady Eileen]

Washington, DC-area Freepers interested in Lincoln and/or the War Between the States should take note of a seminar held later today on the Fairfax campus of George Mason University:

The conventional wisdom in America is that Abraham Lincoln was a great emancipator who preserved American liberties.  In recent years, new research has portrayed a less-flattering Lincoln that often behaved as a self-seeking politician who catered to special interest groups. So which is the real Lincoln? 

On Wednesday, April 16, Thomas DiLorenzo, a former George Mason University professor of Economics, will host a seminar on that very topic. It will highlight his controversial but influential new book, The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War.  In the Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo exposes the conventional wisdom of Lincoln as based on fallacies and myths propagated by our political leaders and public education system. 

The seminar, which will be held in Rooms 3&4 of the GMU Student Union II, will start at 5:00 PM.  Copies of the book will be available for sale during a brief autograph session after the seminar. 

[Non-Sequitur]

Marx adored Lincoln and sang his praises in the form of arguments not unlike those you are currently using right here on this forum.

And later socialists like Edgar Lee Masters wrote scathing biographies of Lincoln. Must have changed their minds, hun?

[republicanwizard]

Let the feelings Senator Sumner expressed be directed to you. Substitute your names for Mr. Butler or Senator Butler.

But, before entering upon the argument, I must say something of a general character, particularly in response to what has fallen from Senators who have raised themselves to eminence on this floor in championship of human wrongs. I mean the Senator from South Carolina (Mr. Butler), and the Senator from Illinois (Mr. Douglas), who, though unlike as Don Quixote and Sancho Panza, yet, like this couple, sally forth together in the same adventure. I regret much to miss the elder Senator from his seat; but the cause, against which he has run a tilt, with such activity of animosity, demands that the opportunity of exposing him should not be lost; and it is for the cause that I speak. The Senator from South Carolina has read many books of chivalry, and believes himself a chivalrous knight, with sentimcuts of honor and courage. Of course he has chosen a mistress to whom he has made his vows, and who, though ugly to others, is always lovely to him; though polluted in the sight of the world, is chaste in his sight I mean the harlot, Slavery. For her, his tongue is always profuse in words. Let her be impeached in character, or any proposition made to shut her out from the extension of her wantonness, and no extravagance of manner or hardihood of assertion is then too great for this Senator. The frenzy of Don Quixote, in behalf of his wench, Dulcinea del Toboso, is all surpassed. The asserted rights of Slavery, which shock equality of all kinds, are cloaked by a fantastic claim of equality. If the slave States cannot enjoy what, in mockery of the great fathers of the Republic, he misnames equality under the Constitution in other words, the full power in the National Territories to compel fellowmen to unpaid toil, to separate husband and wife, and to sell little children at the auction block then, sir, the chivalric Senator will conduct the State of South Carolina out of the Union! Heroic knight ! Exalted Senator! A second Moses come for a second exodus!

But not content with this poor menace, which we have been twice told was " measured," the Senator in the unrestrained chivalry of his nature, has undertaken to apply opprobrious words to those who differ from him on this floor. He calls them "sectional and fanatical;" and opposition to the usurpation in Kansas he denounces as "an uncalculating fanaticism." To be sure these charges lack all grace of originality, and all sentiment of truth; but the adventurous Senator does not hesitate. He is the uncompromising, unblushing representative on this floor of a flagrant sectionalism, which now domineers over the Republic, and yet with a ludicrous ignorance of his own position unable to see himself as others see him—or with an effrontery which even his white head ought not to protect from rebuke, he applies to those here who resist his sectionalism the very epithet which designates himself. The men who strive to bring back the Government to its original policy, when Freedom and not Slavery was sectional, he arraigns as sectional. This will not do. It involves too great a perversion of terms. I tell that Senator that it is to him self, and to the "organization" of which he is the " committed advocate," that this epithet belongs. I now fasten it upon them. For myself, I care little for names; but since the question has been raised here, I affirm that the Republican party of the Union is in no just sense sectional, but, more than any other party, national; and that it now goes forth to dislodge from the high places of the Government the tyrannical sectionalism of which the Senator from South Carolina is one of the maddest zealots.

[republicanwizard]

They have now resorted to lying. Marxist history calls for a delegitimizing of someone like Lincoln since people are not important, only class. Hence, Lincoln is regarded as a man not in control as a class movement arose. There is no way a Marxist could have had positive words for Lincoln, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

[Non-Sequitur]

Marxists have always adored Lincoln and sung praises of Abe Lincoln. And that includes the one named Karl.

What about later ones, including one named Edgar Lee Masters? On the other hand modern day conservatives like Ronald Reagan have openly admired Lincoln.

[Corin Stormhands]

You forgot these again this morning, didn't you?

[Corin Stormhands]

Try to keep up class.

Y'all both need to realize, that I didn't make that statement. I was quoting...

Must be that yankee publik skul edjukashun.

[Non-Sequitur]

Y'all both need to realize, that I didn't make that statement. I was quoting...

You quoted it, and appeared to agree with it. Are you now suggesting that you disagree with GOPConservative? If so then now is your chance to say it.

[Grand Old Partisan]

If you're going to play that game:

"Since the Civil War, in which the Southern States were conquered, against all historical logic and common sense, the American people have been in a condition of political and popular decay. The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with it also the embryo of a future truly great America." Adolph Hitler, 1933

[Corin Stormhands]

Are you now suggesting that you disagree with GOPConservative?

Quite frankly, I've not read enough of what Marx said to agree or disagree.

Y'all, particularly rw, are tryin' to paint me into a corner and I just won't let you. Read back thru the thread. I've already said, several times that I have a great deal of respect for Lincoln. No, I don't necessarily agree with everything he did. He was a courageous and dedicated man dealing with an impossible task. But comparing him to Christ is offensive.

I can't name a politician, past or present, anywhere that I would agree with 100%. And I cannnot think of another single human in history whose sacrifice is comparable to that of Christ.

But let's put the war aside for a few minutes and look at the present day North vs. South.

We win.

Big time.

[Non-Sequitur]

We win...Big time

Another claim unsupported by any evidence?

[Corin Stormhands]

Another claim unsupported by any evidence?

Perhaps it's just a matter of opinion. But it's an opinion I can live with.

[stand watie]

WELL SAID!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

LOL!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

WELL SAID!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

i personally have NO RESPECT for lincoln the great spiller of innocent blood,racist, war criminal & tyrant.

PLEASE don't include me in the ranks of those who bow each morning to their clay-footed saint. lincoln was nothing more or less than a cheap politician, no different from wee willie klintoon;end of story.

FRee dixie,sw

[rebelyell]

Oh but he was different than clintoon....he had the blood of over 600,000 human beings on his hands. Maybe if you add up all the aborted children during slick's 8 yrs in office you might get such a death toll. Shrewd politicians that crave power are not a recent phenomenon.

[stand watie]

let's just for fun put you in lincon's place.

how many hundred thousand people, about 1/2 civilians, would you be willing to kill to perserve the union, from a group of states that wanted LIBERTY?

a union which only exists by coercian seems to me to be WORTHLESS.

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

your comparison of lincon to W makes me gag!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

TRUE!

NO state would have joined a union that they couldn't leave.

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

YEP!

FRee dixie,sw