9-11 Insider Traders: Why don't we know who they are—or more importantly—why don't we care?

Sierre Times ^ | 4/14/2003 | Micahel Gaddy

[m1911]

"I am still wondering who the real murderers are? Atre they the ones that pulled the trigger, or those that benefited from the aftermath? "

That would be the ones that pulled the trigger.

[CPT Clay]

Inquiring minds want to know.

Good find, I always wondered what became of this.

[Calpernia]

Anyone look at the link I posted? See the last story:

September 11, 2001 (E): Data recovery experts later looking at 32 hard drives salvaged from the 9/11 attacks discover a surge in credit card transactions from the WTC in the hours before and during the attacks. Unusually large sums of money were rushed through computers even as the disaster unfolded. Investigators say, "There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding $100 million. They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the main frames were destroyed." [Reuters, 12/19/01]

[JohnGalt]

Actually, I don't agree with the author's faith that something is definetly to be found here, and there are market experts, working for the FBI, who report that nothing unusual took place (see link.)

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/2/62018.shtml

But, there is more here than what's been uncovered linking Saddam to 9/11 and I think that is the angle that is worth exploring, IMO.

[L,TOWM]

The "journalist" writing this is talking out of their clymer. Of course nothing PUBLICLY is being done on the short and put activity described. All terrorists need money. The reason these accounts, activities, and players are being treated like "state secrets" is because (doh!) THEY ARE STATE SECRETS!

I am a securities regulator. By the time this activity was fully tabulated, end of 10/01. Documents and ID of the accounts compiled, 12/01. Interviews and field investigations, 3/02. Next round of the investigations is plowing through the shell entities, offshore firms, and front orgs located god knows where. That is probably ongoing.

Every time you hear of "charitable organizations" being busted for "possible terrorist ties" think of this article. The people being taken down at this point are either in it up to their eyeballs, or can tell us who is pulling their strings, with a large enough sentence hanging over them.

[JohnGalt]

All good valid points, but my real interest is that this case among a dozen others including the story of Mossad agents who were tracking the 9/11 hijackers, as reported on Fox News:
http://100777.com/nwo/104a.htm

While these stories have yet to be resolved, so many are actively looking to manufacture a link between Saddam and 9/11, though admittedly it looks like most people don't really even care anymore and are content that regime change justifies the death of American soldiers and the spending of American treasure.

[flutters]

This sounds like a story to add to your "undercovered scandals."

[sharktrager]

The investigations fizzled when it was recognized that the stocks in question had been falling prior to 9/11, and that the volume was not inconsistent with averages. The options seemed to have a huge increase in activity simply because they were thinly traded, and the researchers looked at percentages and not numbers.

[DannyTN]

"The reason these accounts, activities, and players are being treated like "state secrets" is because (doh!) THEY ARE STATE SECRETS! "

That's what I think too. Somewhere there is a list, of who did the trades and who those people are talking to. My guess is that we have already gotten many of the perpetrators one way or another.

But I'm also curious if the exchanges paid off on all the trades, or if they held up funds pending the investigation. I think it would have been prudent to hold funds if the trading appears to be suspicious.

[kinghorse]

True. Equally true a lot paper burned or floated to the charred earth from the top of the towers that fateful day. A lot of computers were vaporized. A key link erased. I've always thought the enemy attacked on many different levels that day and everything we know may be wrong (to quasi-quote Firesign Theater).

I've always thought the enemy gauged and capitalized on someone's greed that day. And if our government knows this, it is too demoralizing to national pride to make it public knowledge.

[JohnGalt]

That is too closed a conspiracy scenario.

How about something like the CIA/FBI as well as several foreign intelligence agencies, including Saudi Arabia, know something is 'up.' Rumors fly (remember the stock market fell on reports that Vince Foster's body was moved from a secret apartment) and a few connected folks who are wired in place a couple bets.

Nothing particularly malicious on the part of the bettors, but it stinks to high heaven and the intelligence agencies that knew about it or the American intelligence agencies that did nothing, have a lot of explaining to do.

[Fred Mertz]

The documented pre-Sept. 11 insider trading that occurred involved only companies hit hard by the attacks. They include United Airlines, American Airlines, Morgan Stanley, Merrill-Lynch, Axa Reinsurance, Marsh & McLennan, Munich Reinsurance, Swiss Reinsurance, and Citigroup.

This is one of those stories that never gets answered satisfactorily. Lots of us are hoping the truth comes out, but we ain't holding our breaths.

One freeper named nopardons claimed to have some sort of insider knowledge of the investigation, but she has turned out to be an unreliable dipstick.

[Rodney King]

What a load of crap. All specualtion and innuendo. Not a single piece of evidence to support the theory is presented in the article.

[JohnGalt]

Lets put that in context; market experts consulted by the government reported nothing unsual occured. That is not the same as the discovery of definitive proof, merely a representation of the government position on an on going investigation--hmm, rather strange?

Also, there are investigations in Japan and Germany that are still on-going and I am not sure about any status on that front.

[AdamSelene235]

What ever happened to the 911 investigation?

Has it even started?

Thousands dead and more than a year has passed and not a peep out of the 9-11 independent investigation.

Where is that hero of transparent government, Henry Kissinger?

[JohnGalt]

Are you talking about the link between Saddam and 9/11 or this article?

[JohnGalt]

I am in full agreement, and I don't expect to ever know the truth or be satisfied with yet another government investigation.

However, there is more 'here' than there is evidence linking Saddam to 9/11; in that sense, I think as an editorial, it is critical of folks who have simply filed 9/11 in the memory hole, content to feast off the excitement of 'regime change in Iraq.'

[Rodney King]

Sorry, this article.

[sharktrager]

OK, let's put it in context.

Reporters and conspiracy theorists with little or no knowledge of the market and how it works state that there is unusual activity, and it is deemed reasonable to accept their opinion over those who have extensive knowledge of the markets.

The idea that there are still investigations ongoing shows how little is there. Each trade is easily traced as to who placed it. It's not like these things are done anonymously. If there was anything, the paper trail would at least lead to offshore blind accounts, indicative of shady dealings. It does not.