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Boy sticks out Tongue, is Suspended
EL Paso Times ^ | 04.01.03

Posted on 04/14/2003 10:40:44 PM PDT by Coleus

Boy sticks out tongue, is suspended

David Crowder, El Paso Times

Sal Santana II, a 12-year-old Magoffin Middle School student, said he stuck his tongue out at a girl who declined his invitation to be his girlfriend. School district administrators viewed the incident as sexual harassment, suspended him for three days and are considering placing him in an alternative school.

"This is crazy," said Sal's mother, Silvia Santana. "It's a shame that a guy trying to be cute with a girl can get himself into this much trouble. I don't think he even knows what sexual harassment is."

El Paso school district spokesman Luis Villalobos said no one with the district can comment on the case, but he said the events leading to Sal's punishment were witnessed by a teacher at the Northeast El Paso middle school.

"This is a real sensitive issue, but nonetheless one that is covered in the student handbook, which we enforce," Villalobos said. "He's facing the discipline measure that's appropriate for the offense."

The school district has received four other reports of sexual harassment at the middle- and high- school levels this year, two of which were substantiated, Villalobos said.

Last year, four incidents -- two from middle schools -- were reported. Villalobos could not say what disciplinary actions the district took in any of the cases.

Silvia Santana and her husband, Salvador, have a meeting today with the district's director of student services, Gloria Boyer, who has the authority to set aside the planned disciplinary measures in Sal's case.

Salvador Santana said they will appeal to the school board if necessary and will probably sue the district regardless of what happens.

"It's got to be done because God knows how many other kids have been involved in something like this," Salvador Santana said, adding that his son has had no disciplinary problems in school this year.

He said the family received a detailed account of what allegedly occurred during a meeting last week with Magoffin Principal Rose Rios and a district representative.

"The teacher said he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back and that that constitutes sexual harassment," Salvador Santana said. "She said the girl was upset and scared."

The district's student code of conduct states that "sexual harassment of a student by another student includes unwanted and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, whether by word, gesture or any other sexual conduct, including requests for sexual favors."

Sal said he doesn't remember receiving any instruction about sexual harassment in class. But Villalobos said Rios reported that there have been at least two training sessions for students this year.

Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual harassment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.

"There's a question mark: Was the lesson properly taught and learned?" Gold asked. "There's also a question here of the punishment fitting the crime."

She suggested that Sal should have been given an opportunity to apologize to the girl if his behavior was inappropriate.

"Not being able to make amends does not give the child the chance to learn the appropriate behavior," Gold said. "The school should be a training ground, not an arena for punishment. Teachers are there to teach, and kids are there to learn."

Sandra Lloyd, chairwoman of educational psychology at UTEP, said schools need to be sensitive to young students and careful in judging their actions.

"That's particularly true at that age when boys and girls are just beginning to get interested in each other," Lloyd said.

But, she said, "I have heard of some terrible examples of harassment at this age level, though this doesn't seem to sound like one.

"Sometimes the punishment may seem extreme, but on the other hand, if we don't have some kind of policy in place for this, then that is also a problem."

Some parents of seventh-graders at Magoffin Middle School were surprised to hear last week that a student was being disciplined for alleged sexual harassment.

"That's something new to me. I never heard of it," Eduardo Marquez said. "It's ridiculous to do that to a little boy. If he touched her or looked up her dress, that would be different."

Marquez said he knows from his son that there is a lot of pressure to have a girlfriend or boyfriend at the school.

"It's stupid," Mercedes Nolan said of Sal's punishment while waiting for her seventh-grade daughter. "But at 12, kids have no business going out on dates or anything. They should be studying."

Sexual harassment cases at high schools and middle schools in the area's three largest school districts:

El Paso: Five cases reported this year and four last year. No information was available about the disposition of the cases.

Ysleta: Information unavailable because the district has no specific category for sexual harassment complaints.

Socorro: Two students placed in alternative school this year. No cases of students suspended or sent to an alternative school last year.

David Crowder may be reached at dcrowder@elpasotimes.com


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1 posted on 04/14/2003 10:40:44 PM PDT by Coleus
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2 posted on 04/14/2003 10:41:01 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Zero Tolerance idiots!!!
3 posted on 04/14/2003 10:44:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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4 posted on 04/14/2003 10:45:14 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Coleus
Sounds like it was more lewd than the headline describes.
5 posted on 04/14/2003 10:46:33 PM PDT by moyden2000
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To: Coleus
Hung by the toungue . . .
6 posted on 04/14/2003 10:49:22 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (It'll all come out in the wash.)
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To: moyden2000
Lol, I'm sorry, but it would just have to be a blatantly lewd and degrading gesture for me to believe it was worth 3 days suspension and possible alternative school.

It just seems like a knee-jerk reaction to me.
7 posted on 04/14/2003 10:51:23 PM PDT by Viiraxe
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To: goldstategop; Grampa Dave
I seem to remember a time when the punishment for a kid sticking out his tongue was some pepper or a bar of soap. These liberal NEA Feminazis are CRAZY!
8 posted on 04/14/2003 10:59:54 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: Coleus
" 'This is crazy,' said Sal's mother, Silvia Santana"

Note this phrase. As we become more and more Bolshevised, you will hear this phrase more and more often. Watch for it. The more times a day you hear it the closer we are to full state control.

"This is crazy". The mantra for those caught in the clutches of the socialist state. Repeat over and over to yourself so that you don't think that it's you.

9 posted on 04/14/2003 11:04:13 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"This is crazy"..

Then suddenly, you won't hear it at all.
Those who said it will be in "re-education" camps, being instructed in the proper way to think.
or else.

10 posted on 04/14/2003 11:09:46 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: Coleus
The man-hating Femi-NAZIS at it again. As a woman, I am deeply ashamed of the women in this country who allow this bashing of males to go on.

NOW has tried its darndest to completely feminize this country. I hate the way this society has treated men. And the continual mis-treatment of little boys is despicable. Little boys are criminalized for acting like boys, and doctors have them full of drugs because they dare be active.

Disgusting. Leftist women who openly advocate murdering the unborn are in cultural hegemony over this society for decades, and its time the butchy blitches are read the riot act: most normal women don't hate men, and most don't want to murder their unborn, nor do they advocate for others to do so.

Leftism has been allowed to run amuck in this country for far far too long.
11 posted on 04/14/2003 11:12:47 PM PDT by FirstTomato ("In the end,We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" M L King)
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To: Coleus
The behavior was inappropriate. Was it sexual harassment? My guess is no. What should be asked is whether a girl making a similar gesture to a boy would be faced with the same charges. If not, then there is either a double standard or it is clearly not sexual harassment.

Making a public example of a trivial offense is a very effective intimidation tool.

12 posted on 04/14/2003 11:19:50 PM PDT by eggman
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To: Coleus
The solution to this growing problem (public school zero tolerance PC crapola) is for the students involved to sue the pants off of everybody associated with such slap-punishments for defamation. They should seek damages to cover the cost of a life-time private school education.
13 posted on 04/14/2003 11:20:49 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: eggman
I think the real inappropriate behavior is to penalize little boys for being boys.

And its especially inappropriate to be teaching little girls that they hold such power over other children, especially boys, that by simply screaming "harassment" you can ruin someone's life.

That's modern "feminism".
14 posted on 04/14/2003 11:41:14 PM PDT by FirstTomato ("In the end,We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" M L King)
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To: Coleus
If the girl had stuck out her tongue at the boy, would she have been suspended?

I seriously doubt it.

15 posted on 04/14/2003 11:52:13 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: eggman
The behavior was inappropriate

What in the world would make the behavior inappropriate, 12 year old boys have been sticking there toungs out at 12 year old girls for hundreds of years.

If any thing it would seem a restriction of the little boys right of free speech to react to the rejection.
For instance I don't see how asking someone for a date in the work place and getting turned down, then saying SH*T out loud qualifies for sexual harrasment.

16 posted on 04/14/2003 11:58:57 PM PDT by LittleRedRooster
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To: Coleus
These days you can't tell if it's real or from the Onion

This is just Unreal!
17 posted on 04/15/2003 12:33:47 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: Viiraxe
Lol, I'm sorry, but it would just have to be a blatantly lewd and degrading gesture for me to believe it was worth 3 days suspension and possible alternative school.

"he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back..."

I can't tell if he was waving his hand or the tongue. Either way, it was inappropriate, and while a 3-day suspension might seem a little heavy-handed, it's not so bad. The idea about sending him to an alternative school--that's just nuts. That's terrible.

18 posted on 04/15/2003 12:40:49 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Coleus
I believe if the world was a living being, it would have a gun to it's head and hammer would be dropping.
19 posted on 04/15/2003 12:47:00 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Coleus
If he had stuck his tongue out at the flag or a picture of President Bush he would have been granted extra-credit points in some public school classrooms.
20 posted on 04/15/2003 12:57:20 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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