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Turning women into cannon fodder
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 11, 2003 | Robert Knight

Posted on 04/13/2003 2:02:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

You couldn't help but be elated upon hearing that Pfc. Jessica Lynch was rescued. But it was a little like the relief that parents experience before the anger sets in after junior has done a death-defying stunt and lived to tell about it.

Many brave men risked their lives to save Pfc. Lynch following an Iraqi man's report that a woman soldier was being tortured at a hospital. We still don't know what the Iraqis did to her. The two broken legs and spinal injury indicate torture. No word on whether she was sexually assaulted as well. Her comrades, most of them men, did not fare as well, with nearly a dozen bodies found.

Instead of shaking off our '60s feminist hangover and vowing to end the lunacy of sending young women like Miss Lynch into harm's way, you'd think her brutalization was actually a good thing.

Gen. Wilma Vaught, the harridan who wants to draft our daughters and put them into combat, gushed that Miss Lynch reportedly took out some Iraqis on the way to being captured, so this proves women ought to be in the front lines.

Liberals like the terminally grimacing Patricia Schroeder echoed the call, saying it is time to end all combat exemptions for women, since, in our enlightened way, we are not supposed to care that wives and daughters are turned into hamburger by enemy troops.

Liberalism has a remarkable record for worsening any situation. Are welfare programs destroying black families and creating poverty and crime in the nation's cities? Throw more money at them to snag even more people into a failed system! Does gun control exacerbate crime by disarming innocent citizens? Press for tighter controls!

On the military front, the armed forces have been in full retreat from liberal feminists. If the Navy's Tailhook sex scandal during the '90s proved anything, it is that men and women mixed tightly together will create spontaneous combustion. Instead of admitting this simple truth, feminists used Tailhook to "out" recalcitrant traditionalists who opposed putting women closer to combat. Naval officers who could fearlessly face down enemy fire cowered before the, uh, ladies.

The same folly was at work recently at the Air Force Academy, where several female cadets reported sexual assaults by male cadets. The Academy's response? They took down the big letters over a stone arch that read: "Bring Me Men." That's right, men. Real men. The kind that don't assault women and who think that protecting women from harm is one of the duties that God assigned them. Let's opt for androgyny instead.

The more that we buy into the fiction that women are indistinguishable from men, the more we sleepwalk into an unfolding disaster.

Forget about Miss Lynch for a moment. How about Pfc. Lori Ann Peistewa, the first U.S. servicewomen killed in Iraq? She left behind two preschool kids, aged 3 and 4. Her body was found at the site where Miss Lynch was rescued. Or how about Shoshana Johnson, a single mother of a 2-year-old? We have not heard anything about her since the Iraqis released a haunting photo of her frightened face, along with those of some male comrades.

"Jessica was a clerk, essentially a secretary, doing yeoman's work, I might add," said Martha Kleder, a Culture and Family Institute policy analyst who served with the Air Force in Alaska. "Shoshana Johnson joined the Army to be a cook. Today, no woman is safe in the military. There are no more rear-support jobs. All women should expect to be made cannon fodder. Thanks, Pat Schroeder, thanks for your utter glee that these women who only wanted to serve their country in rear-support jobs are now facing hostile enemy fire."

Political correctness at the Pentagon hangs in the air like Napalm smoke. At the press conference announcing Miss Lynch's rescue, the spokesman lauded her as a "brave woman," and then turned to give credit to her rescuers. "We have to remember" – and then he paused ever so slightly – "the brave souls" who risked their lives to save Miss Lynch. Had he used the term "brave men," it would have clarified the absurdity of putting Miss Lynch near the front lines in the first place.

Americans are probably largely unaware that women are prohibited from being on the front lines, a policy increasingly being broken by our gender-neutral military.

The practice of turning women into cannon fodder got a huge boost when the Clinton administration largely dispensed with the "risk rule," which exempts women from jobs in which they are likely to face enemy fire. Although women are still not technically in combat, it sure looks like they are.

Take 2nd Lt. Sarah Ewing Skinner, for instance. With her "finger on the trigger of her M-16, [she] gives the order to move forward as troops under her command prepared to storm 20 derelict buildings where die-hard Iraqi defenders may have taken refuge," the Associated Press reports in an article headlined "Not for men only." Now isn't that special? Women are supposed to be exempted from combat, and yet they are going house to house just like the grizzled Vic Morrow and his squad in the old "Combat" TV show.

The loophole is that they are serving as military police, and those squads have been ordered to do dangerous cleanup work that looks a lot like combat. In fact, it is combat.

"In Iraq, this stuff includes escorting supply convoys through ambush-prone areas, sweeping villages for weapons, arresting Iraqis hostile to U.S. forces and handling prisoners of war," AP said. Pvt. Kristi Grant, a military policewoman, told AP, "I guess the only thing is that I can't lift some of the same things males do, but I try." How would you like to be her comrade, wounded and in need of being dragged to safety? A good try wouldn't cut it.

There are some other key physical differences between the sexes, but you would never know it from the AP report. Sex means nothing: "She quickly got over her initial anxiety about being squeezed into a tent with male soldiers and discovered 'we were much like one family.'" Nothing about the jealousy, broken marriages and fights that erupted during the Gulf War when men and women were billeted together. Do any parents really want their 20-year-old daughter sleeping in a tent with a bunch of men?

"Women are treated like trash, they're objects in the service," said former Marine Cpl. Carmelo Torres. "They may talk PC, but it's a different story behind closed doors. Women are treated like dirt."

Torres recalls being stationed at the Quantico Marine base in Virginia and seeing staff sergeants picking out attractive young women and declaring them off-limits to other men. "In the women's barracks, the women were being sexually harassed by the lesbians when they weren't being hit on by the men," he said. "Two of the lesbians got new recruits drunk so they could gang-rape them in the women's barracks."

This is not about military women's willingness to serve their country, which is commendable, or their bravery. America owes much to its women service members.

But they shouldn't be in combat. First, they are the bearers of life and the heart of family life, an utterly indispensable role. When America sends young women off to war, watching them kiss their toddlers goodbye, we are making a moral choice that children are just not important anymore. It is much more important to drive a military truck. This callousness is an outgrowth of the abortion culture in which human life itself is cheapened. Any job those women do could be done by a man, but nobody else can be a mother to her children. It is bad enough for children to lose their father, but it is utterly unnecessary for them to lose their mother. Raising children is the most important job in society, and yet it takes a back seat to feminist ambitions to pursue sameness in the name of equality.

Second, women lack the upper-body strength, endurance and speed of men, which, despite all the talk of "push-button wars," can be crucial in battle. As Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness has said, "Women don't have an equal ability to survive on the battlefield."

Third, although some feminists claim that they have a right to serve if they want to, military service is a privilege and a duty – not a right. The armed forces bar numerous classes of people, regardless of individual ability, because they could have a negative impact. Homosexuals are a case in point. Putting women into combat endangers all of our daughters because in the 1986 case Rostker v. Goldberg, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that women could not be drafted because they did not serve in combat, and that Congress had the power only to raise armies to fight wars. A few feminists in the front lines could destroy that exemption.

Fourth, women have a profound effect on men. In 1948, the Israelis put women soldiers into the front lines, but had to pull them after a few weeks. Discipline broke down, morale plummeted and men ignored orders, rushing instead to protect the women. Some men lost their sanity when they saw women being blown apart. These men must have been chauvinist pigs.

The Israelis quickly grasped that women have no business being in combat, and that is their policy to this day. They train women for emergency situations, removing them if combat begins. But we have brushed aside that lesson. We are actually training men to ignore their noble impulse of being protectors. The Navy introduced a program a few years ago in which men were conditioned to endure the cries of women being tortured. The other services have adopted these programs as well. This is progress?

Imagine what these men will be like when the war is over and they return to civilian life. Do we really want thousands of men among us who are indifferent to women's cries of pain? That's a recipe for domestic violence and rape. The floodtide of pornography only makes it worse. But liberals like porn. It's religion they despise. As C.S. Lewis said, the social goal of liberals is to make religion private and pornography public.

It is barbaric to allow pornography to permeate our entire culture, and it is barbaric to put women in combat, even if they are fool enough to want to go.

We're glad that Miss Lynch made it to safety, but we would like to see the larger question addressed. What was she doing there in the first place?


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To: cherry

Whats wrong with holding women to the same standard as men?
The only reason they don't do it now is because they know that most women would not pass,because we are different than men.By not having the same standards across the board people are still buying into the notion that women are not equal with men,and only are equal when legislation gives them the advantage.Women and men ARE EQUAL... but different, and its time that people cherished the differences instead of trying to make us something we are not.The feminists idea of equality is ridiculuos anyway.It views women as smaller versions of men and this argument simply does not hold water.There are significant biological differences between the sexes that feminists refuse to accept.
Scientists are now discovering that men and women do better when treatments are tailored specifically to each sex rather than just a one size fits all approach.There are also some good shows out that point out the differences between male and females,
One is Science of the Sexes.You can most likely obtain a copy of the series from the discovery channel store.
Another is the Human Sexes by Desmond Morris.
There are also a number of books out on the subject.
Fascinating stuff,if your interested.

IMO,Women should beware what we wish for,we are already besieged by a notion that we should all somehow look like super models,we don't need the added burden of trying to live up to some kind of super hero image which most of us would fall miserably short of.

"is it just possible that women bring differant yet still valuble talents to the table?...."

Not in an infantry unit.Infantry units are not push button units.They are on the ground,killing units.They bear the brunt of enemy attacks.If need be they use hand to hand combat to subdue or kill the enemy.Infantry recruits spend an average of 3 to 4 weeks longer in basic training than recruits who choose jobs such as supply clerk or mechanic.And as we've seen in this war groundpounders are important.They have the nasty job of taking out the enemy who cannot be taken by air superiority.They don't have time to reflect on what they are doing ,and there aren't many different angles you can bring to killing someone.If your gun fails (as the 507th POW's said theirs did)you had better be able to defend yourself.Because sometimes the enemy is not going to take POW's,they are just going to kill you outright if they can.





161 posted on 04/14/2003 7:01:13 AM PDT by TracyLynn
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To: iconoclast
It is not about surrendering. It is about being a realist. When my father, a good, honest man, who has been happily married for over 20 years, told me in that in this day, in this country that it is not wise for me to get married because of the laws and narcissistic girls (they are not mature enough mentally to be called women) out there, I knew this country was beyond salvaging.

You are old, this is NOT the same country you grew-up in, at least I am sane enought to realize that.

162 posted on 04/14/2003 7:05:25 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: TalBlack
Sorry, but the introduction of a woman to a male enviroment neccessarialy feminizes that enviromrnt. this has NEVER failed to be the case.

That is because political correctness have forced the organizations to bend to the womens' wishes when it comes to standards. If this were not allowed then the women would be forced to bend to the organizations' standards and feminization would NOT occur.

163 posted on 04/14/2003 7:09:18 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: usmcobra
The truth about women in the military is realtively simple, it is no more dangerous the getting into a car, or flying or even getting married. But the precieved risks are greater, because we all look at war as dangerous. We don't look at driving flying or marriage as even more dangerous then war, but they are.

Have you ever been in a war, that is to say, actually patroling, ambush sitting and firefighting? When you drive or fly, are other drivers and flyers purposfully trying to kill you? Being married is a dangerous as being in armed conflict?

You realize, of course, that your position is just as liberal/progressive/socialist as is possible to get.

164 posted on 04/14/2003 7:09:46 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Pfc Lynch is the first POW to be rescued in this manner since World War II.

So?

I am not interested in arguing for women in combat, but what is the point of people bringing up her rescue when the subject is discussion of women in combat?

I see one person saying, well the rescuers are men, but still, am I wrong at the hints by some that the rescue would not have been done if she were a guy? I fail to see why this is brought up in this manner when supposedly the discussion is on another aspect of service.

165 posted on 04/14/2003 7:18:35 AM PDT by cyncooper (thousands of cheering Iraqis yelled, "America, America, America," and "Bush, Bush, Bush.")
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To: cherry
is it just possible that women bring differant yet still valuble talents to the table?....is it just possible that women's natural tendencies....reflection, patience, team-oriented, stamina, and adaptability are perhaps as useful as total body strength and physical size?

No, it's not possible, as proved by throusands of years of male/female interaction. Only liberals/socialists think that humankind has changed. It hasn't.

afterall, a large percentage of military jobs nowadays are in support systems and technology....something done without super strength...

Women have traditionaly held military jobs in rear support, to release men to fight, and have served well in that capacity. At any time one faces the enemy, one has to have the physical strength to do so and aid their comrades in battle. Superstrength? No, just normal male strength, with the musculature, dense connective connective tissue, and massive bone structure thereof.

I just can not get over how much animosity there is against women on these war boards....

That's a strawman. People out here have no animosity against women at all; their animosity is directed toward policies that put women in danger needlessly.

I get the impression that some freepers would like more women dead just to prove their point...geesh...

Think clearly here. What gets more women dead, combat or clerical roles in the rear?

166 posted on 04/14/2003 7:24:06 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: William Terrell
People out here have no animosity against women at all;

Oh, some certainly do.

(I am not arguing for women in combat, but you'd best realize there is hatred for women in some quarters here, and not deny it.)

167 posted on 04/14/2003 7:28:40 AM PDT by cyncooper (thousands of cheering Iraqis yelled, "America, America, America," and "Bush, Bush, Bush.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Brutalization is brutalization, whether the victim is male or female. Instead of ranting and raving about the armed services allowing women to participate, why don't people rant and rave that the perpetrators of this brutalization be found and brought to justice?
168 posted on 04/14/2003 8:07:57 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Motherbear
"When I get behind the wheel of a car, I don't endanger the other passengers on the road."

Pardon me? Sure you do. If you have an accident, it will likely involve at least one other car.

169 posted on 04/14/2003 8:11:19 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: TracyLynn
"Whats wrong with holding women to the same standard as men?"

You're absolutely right. If women want to be in the armed services, they should be allowed to do so. However, they should also be required to meet the same standards the men have to meet.

170 posted on 04/14/2003 8:12:50 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: cyncooper
Oh sure, there are misogynists out there, especially among the male homosexual population, but it isn't more that the vanishingly tiny percentage that any whacko group is.

171 posted on 04/14/2003 8:37:05 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: MEGoody
I think she's trying say that other drivers' purpose is not to kill you, like enemies are in war.

172 posted on 04/14/2003 8:40:03 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: Motherbear
Neither of the released female POW's will talk about if they felt they ever would be captured as they will then have to admit they were not trained for front line duty.


I would think a cook or mechanic would have a lot less survival training than say a pilot....

I could be wrong.
174 posted on 04/14/2003 9:33:19 AM PDT by alisasny
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Liberalism has a remarkable record for worsening any situation.

Couldn't have put it better myself

175 posted on 04/14/2003 9:34:22 AM PDT by BSunday (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: alisasny
A single mother of 2 babies has no business being anywhere near a war zone

I agree, but let us take this where it logically follows: if women have no business being anywhere near a war zone (which they don't) then therefore it follows they have no place in the military except in a support position. Nurses (not in battle zone), cooks (not in battle zone), etc.

176 posted on 04/14/2003 9:55:11 AM PDT by BSunday (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: John H K
"We're supposed to believe that someone's mother being killed is worse than their father being killed."

That would be the norm but not necessarily the rule.

177 posted on 04/14/2003 10:05:38 AM PDT by iranger
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To: Lorianne
"Only a father can render a child 'fatherless'"

Given that God has given women the sole priveledge to bear fruit, it is incumbant upon women to use wise judgement in the procreation because they are the ones who will be left with results of their joint actions. Too often, men are only interested in one thing, self gratification. Coupling with someone out of wedlock leaves women at risk to being left alone to raise a child. For whatever reason, God gave an unequal balance of responsibility to women in this regard.

178 posted on 04/14/2003 11:01:23 AM PDT by iranger
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To: Lorianne
"First off women are still not allowed in combat positions"

From the article...'The loophole is that they are serving as military police, and those squads have been ordered to do dangerous cleanup work that looks a lot like combat. In fact, it is combat.'

179 posted on 04/14/2003 11:34:13 AM PDT by iranger
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To: Blue Collar Christian
have never seen a man(though I have heard of it)cry in front of everybody when criticized sternly, but every woman I have seen has cried.

It's obvious you haven't run across my daughter.

180 posted on 04/14/2003 11:54:32 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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