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Anglosphere: Why do they hate us? (Interesting analysis)
UPI ^ | 4/12/03 | James C. Bennett

Posted on 04/13/2003 6:59:15 AM PDT by jalisco555

WASHINGTON, April 12 (UPI) -- Why do they hate us? This question has been asked incessantly since Sept. 11, 2001. Sometimes it is asked about Muslims in general; sometimes about the Arab world in particular.

However, it is worth considering the possibility that the root source of anti-Americanism in the world lies in the deep-rooted anti-modern tradition of Continental Europe.

Just as the Baathist movement lately of Iraq and still in power in Syria is a localized variant of European fascism, the broader anti-Americanism currently fashionable on all continents comes ultimately from what some have called the Industrial Counter-Revolution. This is a comprehensive category for the various reactions in Europe against the program of the Industrial and Democratic Revolutions, or liberalism in the classical sense -- individualism, free markets, and technological and social progress.

Scholars such as Alan Macfarlane have found that individualistic social patterns (such as a preference for nuclear over extended families) have been very deep-seated in England, going back at least to the 14th century, while the reverse has been true in Continental Europe up to the Industrial Revolution.

This might suggest that both fascism and communism emerged on the European continent as a search for the lost security (at the expense of individual independence) of the extended family under the patriarchal rule of the paterfamilias in the traditional Continental society shattered by the Industrial Revolution.

Another explanation, not mutually exclusive with the above, may lie in seeing the Holocaust not as an isolated instance of social madness, but the latter half of a great historical cycle beginning with the emancipation of Europe's Jews during the Napoleonic Wars.

Although the Anglosphere began the Industrial Revolution in the 17th century, the period roughly from 1830 through 1930 saw a very rapid expansion of that revolution in Western Europe, and most particularly in German-speaking Europe. This expansion resulted in the emergence of a brilliant and dynamic civilization.

Given the prominence of Jewish Europeans in that civilization, it must be asked whether one of its principal stimuli was not the excitement of mutual discovery, in which newly emancipated Jews brought their analytical skills honed by their tradition of scholarship and debate, while accessing the much wider world of Western science, literature, and scholarship from which they had previously been closed off?

How can we calculate how much more dynamism was added by the everyday interaction of people who had previously been kept in parallel and uncommunicative spheres? The Germanosphere, including not just the Second Reich, but Austria-Hungary, German Switzerland, and the German-speaking communities of Eastern Europe and the Americas, really might better be dubbed the Judaeo-Germanosphere during that period.

Continental European Jews, because they owed their very presence in the larger civilization to the values of liberalism and modernism, were one of the first and most obvious targets of the Industrial Counter-Revolution.

The collapse of globalization and consequent rise of totalitarianism set the stage for the end of the great Judaeo-German hybrid civilization of Europe and its French counterpart. Those European Jews who were left alive at the end of the war overwhelmingly desired to leave, and they left to two destinations: Israel, and the Anglosphere.

With this emigration, on top of the previous great Jewish emigration to London and New York in the late 19th century, much of the energy, creativity and contributions of European Jews were given to the Anglosphere rather than the Continent. The cost to the Continent, and the benefits to the Anglosphere has never, to my knowledge, been calculated. The cost might never be calculable, but it is real.

Continental Europeans, helped by the Marshall Plan and American investment, rebuilt their countries with vigor after 1945. Led by the last generations to mature in the environment of the hybrid Jewish-European civilization, Europe seemed to pick up where it left off in 1933.

Gradually, however, Europe seemed to run out of creativity, in everything from arts, to academia, to demographic vigor, to the will to political reform. Endless rehashing of elsewhere-discredited Marxism replaced creative political thought. Overt fascism and national chauvinism were banned, but a new Euro-chauvinism took its place, loudly proclaiming the superiority of European ways over crude American ones -- a new chauvinism on a wider scale, based like the old national chauvinism primarily on resentment.

It may be coincidence, but these new generations are the ones who grew up without the experience of studying, working and socializing with substantial numbers of Jews. Can this have no effect on politics?

Consider that the current war has seen the rapid re-emergence of the classical anti-Semitic themes in Europe, and coming from the same classes and types that supported the previous anti-globalization revolt of the 1920s and 1930s. The whitewashing of anti-Semitism as "anti-Zionism" grows more and more transparent by the day. French television has begun to adopt the terminology of the Vichy propagandists in reporting on the "Anglo-American attack" on Iraq. "Neo-con" serves the same code-word duty that "rootless cosmopolite" did in Stalin's anti-Jewish purges.

The widespread anti-Americanism in the world, of which Continental Europe is the ultimate source, has almost nothing to do with the character of President George W. Bush or the current administration, or other such cosmetic issues.

The modern world was first carried forward by two great civilizations. The Anglosphere was one. The dynamic industrializing culture of 19th century Continental Europe, to which the spark of the Judaeo-Christian encounter was so important, was the other. That culture committed suicide in the '30s. Perhaps its successor is not the revival of that culture, but rather its zombie.

In considering the Holocaust, most attention has been given to its direct victims, as is appropriate. However, we must also consider that it was a form of self-administered lobotomy for Continental European culture.

It would not be surprising if the twin anti-modernist themes of anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism, now rapidly coalescing into a single nasty mess visible in many of the pro-Saddam demonstrations of the past year, become once again the predominant political-cultural theme in Western Continental Europe, overwhelming the decent and positive forces there that had previously prevailed.

And we should not be surprised if such people hate us.


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An interesting analysis of the terrible behavior of continental Western Europe.
1 posted on 04/13/2003 6:59:15 AM PDT by jalisco555
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2 posted on 04/13/2003 7:01:41 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: jalisco555
Great article! I surmised this myself about a year ago but he puts it more elegantly than I ever could. I've just been saying that American protestantism and Orthodox Jews are the biggest obstacles to the spread of Islam and Marxism, and that is why they hate us.

Here's hoping that a relative handful of capitalists can defeat a world full of collectivist barbarian hoardes.

3 posted on 04/13/2003 7:19:39 AM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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To: jalisco555
Thanks for posting this very interesting and well written analysis. Although I cannot yet formulate my thoughts into words, I have always smelled anti-Semitism at the root of all this. After anti-Semitism follows Anti-Christianity. I think the Jews do not acknowledge this, and it has not even occurred to Christians. Christianity swept through Europe and left, leaving only a remnant, its great cathedrals used for tour groups and state funerals. While Judaism and Christianity reigned together,( BOTH ignoring the FACT that Jesus was a Jew), science, art, music, inventions, literacy and literature exploded. (We create because we are created in the image of the Creator.) Lastly, why anti-Semitism worldwide? Because God chose the Jews. Only because He felt like it, not because of them. If he had chosen the Apaches and history had proceeded the same way, we would be in the same fix with the world loathing aimed at the Apaches.
4 posted on 04/13/2003 7:53:06 AM PDT by linton59
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To: Anamensis
A brilliant insight!
5 posted on 04/13/2003 7:53:15 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: jalisco555
Thanks for posting this very interesting and well written analysis. Although I cannot yet formulate my thoughts into words, I have always smelled anti-Semitism at the root of all this. After anti-Semitism follows Anti-Christianity. I think the Jews do not acknowledge this, and it has not even occurred to Christians. Christianity swept through Europe and left, leaving only a remnant, its great cathedrals used for tour groups and state funerals. While Judaism and Christianity reigned together,( BOTH ignoring the FACT that Jesus was a Jew), science, art, music, inventions, literacy and literature exploded. (We create because we are created in the image of the Creator.) Lastly, why anti-Semitism worldwide? Because God chose the Jews. Only because He felt like it, not because of them. If he had chosen the Apaches and history had proceeded the same way, we would be in the same fix with the world loathing aimed at the Apaches.
6 posted on 04/13/2003 7:53:31 AM PDT by linton59
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To: Anamensis
American Protestantism and Orthodox Jews are the biggest obstacles to the spread of Islam and Marxism, and that is why they hate us.

Exactly right and worth repeating (many times a day).

7 posted on 04/13/2003 7:54:19 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: linton59
Anamensis consolidates this better than I. Sorry for the double post - operator error.
8 posted on 04/13/2003 7:59:23 AM PDT by linton59
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To: TopQuark
Believe me, I repeat it to as many people as I can, every day! I'm being forced to take a commie-indoc education class right now for certification, and the last two weeks were spent on "Whiteness" studies. Of course, they redraw the categories so that if you are an individualist, middle class member of society, regardless of what color you are, you are "white." And if you are poor, collectivist, and perpetually angry, you are "not white."

In other words, attacks on "whiteness" are really attacks on capitalism. All of the writers agree that the only way to eradicate "systemic racism" is to eradicate capitalism. The communist plot, as it were, has not gone away and its proponents have not stopped trying. They are simply changing their wording. Now it's all about "white, male privilege." But it's just a code word for pushing Marxist planks onto the platform.

9 posted on 04/13/2003 8:16:06 AM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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" That culture committed suicide in the '30s. Perhaps its successor is not the revival of that culture, but rather its zombie. "

Interesting -- very interesting. When I hear that the largest religion in France and Great Britian is Islam it is clear that "ZOMBIE" is the best description of European culture today. I've heard that Denmark in 20 years will have an Islamic majority based on white birth rates compared to mid eastern immigrants birth rates.

The "Old Europe" is rotting from within without a way to defend itself from its self inflicted decay.
10 posted on 04/13/2003 8:21:43 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Maybe this "Army Of One" is a good thing - You Gotta Admire the 3rd Infantry Accomplishments)
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To: Anamensis
Yes, great article. Your surmise that a handful of capitalists might overcome these misguided hoardes may depend on the nature of the multinational companies.

It seems to me that many of them financially support these anti-western, modern liberal protests(the article contrasted true liberalism and today's liberalism,which is so pernicious.) These multinationals see themselves as so powerful that they can be in control of the world. They fail, IMHO, to understand that with the demise or weakening of the US and other democratic countries, even they are at the mercies of tyrants who will want access and control of their wealth.

vaudine
11 posted on 04/13/2003 8:35:11 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: Anamensis
"But it's just a code word for pushing Marxist planks onto the platform."

Ronald Reagan quote, "Communists are people who read Marx and Engles, anti-Communists are those who understand Marx and Engles."

Marxism is alive because it operates on a basis of fairness and at a juvenile level all of us want thing to be fair and just. So those who understand the fallacy of Communism look stupid and selfish to the enlightened Marxist.

Sadly, most liberal Americans don't realize they are Marxists and act solely on the emotions. I've heard that Communism = Mommyism and there are millions of people pushing the "nanny culture" it is difficult to stand against it. You have my sympathy!
12 posted on 04/13/2003 8:39:20 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Maybe this "Army Of One" is a good thing - You Gotta Admire the 3rd Infantry Accomplishments)
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To: jalisco555
Anglosphere: Why do they hate us? (Interesting analysis)

Who cares?
Let Old Europe stew in its own putrefaction and fade away.

If any of them try to swim to civization, we can hire some Iraqis to shoot them in the water; they're really good at that.

13 posted on 04/13/2003 8:43:54 AM PDT by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
you said; When I hear that the largest religion in France and Great Britian is Islam it is clear that "ZOMBIE" is the best description of European culture today.

I don't know about France, but can I enquire as to the source of the information re the UK that you are relying on?

14 posted on 04/13/2003 8:49:41 AM PDT by Forceful1
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To: Anamensis
"And if you are poor, collectivist, and perpetually angry, you are "not white."

When I was young in the 50's schools taught success stories and the message was, "anyone can make it in America."

Today kids hear that nobody has a chance and the deck is stacked against you if you are not "white" and envy of those who have achieved gets planted.
15 posted on 04/13/2003 8:50:01 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Maybe this "Army Of One" is a good thing - You Gotta Admire the 3rd Infantry Accomplishments)
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To: jalisco555
Another explanation might be that they are either Frenchmen or those who follow French intellectual fashions.

The French have certainly been our most persistant enemy; having viewed us with a hateful eye for close to 1000 years. I think the French are fully capable of hating both Jews and English. Ask one.

I'm only half joking.
16 posted on 04/13/2003 8:50:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Help me decide: Is the Left morally corrupt and intellectually bankrupt, or vice versa?)
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To: Forceful1
I beleive I heard that more people in the UK attend a Mosque than any one demomination.

What information do you have on this? You sound offended?

17 posted on 04/13/2003 8:53:39 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Maybe this "Army Of One" is a good thing - You Gotta Admire the 3rd Infantry Accomplishments)
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To: TopQuark; Anamensis
A brilliant insight!

Agreed!

18 posted on 04/13/2003 8:54:29 AM PDT by geedee
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To: linton59
After anti-Semitism follows Anti-Christianity.

I'm an atheist who somehow agrees with you on this score. While I don't personally believe in God, I find much to appreciate in Christianity, and its core has been an effective means for transmitting values from generation to generation in our civilization. In fact, it has often been speculated that Christianity enabled mercantilism and then capitalism.

Of course I don't believe that Jews are "chosen," but I think their values and social structures have helped them to excell as human beings.

The 9/11 experience has caused me to shift my sensibilities. I am firmly committed to separation of church and state, but the Christian right's agenda is much more comfortable to me these days.

I see Christians as my brothers and sisters in (most) values now. Extremists of any sort offend me, but Christian zealots are usually the kindest people you'd ever want to meet.

Christianity has gone through an enlightenment. Islam may never, and I'm not going to wait around for it.

And yes, anti-Semitism and anti-Christianity are two nearly identical evils, although one addresses race and the other belief. (But after 9/11, I feel all of us Americans are Jews.)

Martin Niemoeller, a Holocaust surviver put it this way:

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing.
Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing.
Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist.
And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little.
Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me."

19 posted on 04/13/2003 9:00:26 AM PDT by risk
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