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Anglosphere: Why do they hate us? (Interesting analysis)
UPI ^ | 4/12/03 | James C. Bennett

Posted on 04/13/2003 6:59:15 AM PDT by jalisco555

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To: risk
I don't know if it really is unconstitutional to deport Communists. After all, the communist party says openly that it wants to do away with private property rights (to use one example.) Now, even if that heinous idea were voted in, it wouldn't make it constitutional. They'd be denying constitutional rights to everyone born after them. Surely it's not unconstitutional to deport anyone actively working to deprive others of their constitutional rights?

That's my attitude, anyway. But of course I'm not a Constitutional lawyer and I'm also not in the position to deport anyone. Regrettably.

62 posted on 04/13/2003 6:01:51 PM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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To: jocon307
(who's next? Syria, N. Korea, Yemen - my current nominee...)

LOL! You should see MY list: Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Yemen, North Korea, Cuba, France.... oh, it's just like Christmas morning and I don't know which lovely present to rip open first!

63 posted on 04/13/2003 6:04:12 PM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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To: jocon307
Oh, and Saudi Arabia! Did I forget the Saudis?? How did I forget the Saudis?! They're my favorites!! (evil cackle)
64 posted on 04/13/2003 6:33:52 PM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"Treatment of Jews is a signal, not because of anything inherent to the Jews, but because it signals a shift in mindset."

The Jews are the canaries in the societal coal mine.

And, in Europe right now, the air is getting pretty foul...

65 posted on 04/13/2003 7:10:27 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: wardaddy
"I'm not aware of Jews gaining any footholds in any other nations outside of predominately Christian or Islamic are you?"

I might be mistaken, but I believe the Jews were comparatively well-treated, as were most minorities, during the heyday of the Ottoman Empire.

However, as the Empire went into decline, the lot of the Jews became steadily worse.

66 posted on 04/13/2003 7:17:57 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: okie01
Love that canary/coal mine analogy.....perfect.

67 posted on 04/13/2003 7:43:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (Hootie to head EEOC...)
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To: Rebel Coach
...failed to produce any of the "bookfull" of Jewish contributions in the Arts and Science...

You certainly think this "bookful" is a very small one, if you suggest that I will write it here in a few moments. You just proved my point.

...I would point out that Jews have made greater contributions in law and finance...

Wow, I didn't know that Albert Einstein, Gustav Mahler, Marc Chagall, Arthur Rubinstein, Steven Spielberg, Sergei Eisenstein, Aaron Copland, George Gershwin, Leonard Bernstein, Johann Strauss, Felix Mendelssohn, Mark Rothko, Niels Bohr and Leonardo da Vinci were all in law and finance. I learn something every day.

68 posted on 04/13/2003 8:36:27 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Anamensis
"..oh, it's just like Christmas.."

LOL - evil sounding style! Spoken like a good war-mongering, freedom loving atheist! And you are ABSOLUTELY right, don't exclude the Saudis, how much Morning Thunder do you think they are drinking these days?

God or Nature save the West!
69 posted on 04/13/2003 8:47:43 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Anamensis
I've just been saying that American protestantism and Orthodox Jews are the biggest obstacles to the spread of Islam and Marxism, and that is why they hate us.

HEY!

Don't forget us Orthodox Christians and Catholics who understand the evils of Marxism, National Socialism, and the fact that the end *never* justifies the means!
70 posted on 04/13/2003 8:58:47 PM PDT by Windcatcher ("So what did Doug use?" "He used...sarcasm!")
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To: Anamensis
I don't know if it really is unconstitutional to deport Communists.

First of all, we don't deport natural-born citizens. Second of all, it is incorrect to assume that changing the government is disallowed here. In fact, our founding fathers encouraged us to keep that possibility open, both in what they said in their speeches and letters, as well as in the laws they established. We can vote people with whom we disagree out of office, and we can amend the constitution. We can appoint judges who have different views (via our elected officials) as well as voting for them in our local communities.

So it's well within anyone's rights to propose a change to our laws that differs from my values and yours, even if those changes are counter to any current constitutional amendment.

One should be aware, however, that changing the Constitution is a difficult process, and can't be done without either a referendum or a 2/3 congressional vote. These are almost impossible for benign sounding legislation (because most of us believe our Constitution is quite adequate), let alone radical sounding ideas such as banning private property.

But it is not treasonous to propose banning private property. It's just stupid.

If we start imprisoning, deporting, or killing people just because we disagree with them, then we lose the core values we place on free speech and privacy. And we dishonor those who have fallen in defense of the Declaration of Independence, as well as the Bill of Rights.

The problems we've been facing in our country with Marxism and Islamic extremism are counterable with ordinary means: Americans have to get back to the basics of our values, both in our family units and in our dealings with each other. We need to teach people who've immigrated into this country what it means to be American, as well.

I think many Americans (not here on Free Republic) forgot who they were; 9/11 gave us all a wakeup call. Nevermind that Janeane Garafalo hasn't heard it yet -- the President's approval polls suggest most have.

My views about immigrants are harsh. First, now is not the time for us to be welcoming people into our country while we are trying to sort out who hates us and who doesn't. Secondly, I'm convinced that green card holders and naturalized citizens are fair game for "unconstitutional" investigations. Human rights apply, but we are at war now; the Bill of Rights is for native born Americans. And anyone who opposes racial or religious profiling at a time like this is playing into the hands of Islamofacsists as useful idiots. But that's why we voted for Republicans this last election. That's why Bush is in office. That's why America will survive -- people did start waking up.

But notice how Americans are working within Constitutional limits to acheive their patriotism. Also, think back to the dark days of the 1970s when it was even harder to be patriotic. Many FReepers were holding their candles under a bushel in those awful days. But most worked to express their patriotism within the Constitution, with tolerance, and nonviolently. This is why it is often said now that the Democrats and other liberals don't know how to be the underdog. Conservatives and other patriots do. They know how to be factual with their arguments. They know how to disagree respectfully. And now they're having a field day with the Appeaseniks, many of whom can only utter a cursing insult when cornered in an argument.

71 posted on 04/13/2003 11:44:02 PM PDT by risk (Live free or die.)
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To: Rebel Coach
Jews had developed separately with a high level of what? What did they rise to prominence in?

Whoops... left out a word. High level of literacy. First off, most Jews were expected to learn how to read at a time when most people in Europe weren't. Also -- and I think you noted this later in the thread -- Jews were more active in commerce, particularly money-lending, but other aspects of trade as well.

When literacy and commerce become more important within European civilization, the Jews were a group already well-prepared in that area, allowing them to rise a more prominent role in society.

73 posted on 04/14/2003 4:41:53 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (No more will we pretend that our desire/For liberty is number-cold and has no fire.)
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To: P.O.E.
I'm ubiquitous. 8>). Every so often I ego-surf and find out where I've popped up. It can be interesting....

Actually, that bio is a few years old and I've drifted away from GMR in the past year.
74 posted on 04/14/2003 4:47:52 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (No more will we pretend that our desire/For liberty is number-cold and has no fire.)
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To: jalisco555
An intersting article, thanks for posting it.

I do take issue w/ the premise that the "anglosphere" is more dynamic primarily through the actions of its jewish constituency. Certainly Jews have contribured greatly to the anglo culture, but then so has every other race. Indeed, it is the ability of the anglo world to embrace ideas and people from all over that has made it so strong.

For example, while the french were guarding their language against polluting foreign words English was incorporating words, expressions, and ideas from all comers. For this reason English is the lingua franca (irony intended) of the world. Likewise while the germans were masturbating about pan-germanic greatness and the purity of their blood, the anglos were comingling culture and blood indiscriminately.

Therefore, it is the old european xenophobia that has lead, as it always must, to their current stagnation. And hence their feeling of impotence from which hatred, envy and malice flow.

BTW, to assert that the Jews have been a bulwark against the forces of Marxism is absurd.

75 posted on 04/14/2003 5:40:37 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: risk
If we start imprisoning, deporting, or killing people just because we disagree with them, then we lose the core values we place on free speech and privacy.

We're losing them anyway, as Marxists on college campus pass "hate speech" rules and lawmakers in the public forum pass "hate crime" laws that include speech. Is it more noble to lose them this way? And I really feel like I've made it clear that it wouldn't be just because "we disagree." There are plenty of folks I disagree with that don't qualify for the kind of action I'm talking about.

76 posted on 04/14/2003 5:48:15 AM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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To: Rebel Coach
...You seem to think that you've already got it all figured out...

Very far from the truth. What I know compared to what I want to know is a drop in the ocean.

...Call me a barbarian if you want but I'll take an Alan Greenspan over any of the ones in your list with the exception of Einstein...

This is priceless! Comparing greatness to a common idiot. The word "barbarian" is quite insufficient.

77 posted on 04/14/2003 7:04:49 AM PDT by Mihalis
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To: jalisco555
read later bump
78 posted on 04/14/2003 7:20:29 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
I was surprised I didn't see any references to the Strawbs at GMR. They were/are quite active in the English folk scene. And especially considering their early work with Sandy Denny.
79 posted on 04/14/2003 9:15:35 AM PDT by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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