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To: risk
I don't know if it really is unconstitutional to deport Communists. After all, the communist party says openly that it wants to do away with private property rights (to use one example.) Now, even if that heinous idea were voted in, it wouldn't make it constitutional. They'd be denying constitutional rights to everyone born after them. Surely it's not unconstitutional to deport anyone actively working to deprive others of their constitutional rights?

That's my attitude, anyway. But of course I'm not a Constitutional lawyer and I'm also not in the position to deport anyone. Regrettably.

62 posted on 04/13/2003 6:01:51 PM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Iran, Hollywood)
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To: Anamensis
I don't know if it really is unconstitutional to deport Communists.

First of all, we don't deport natural-born citizens. Second of all, it is incorrect to assume that changing the government is disallowed here. In fact, our founding fathers encouraged us to keep that possibility open, both in what they said in their speeches and letters, as well as in the laws they established. We can vote people with whom we disagree out of office, and we can amend the constitution. We can appoint judges who have different views (via our elected officials) as well as voting for them in our local communities.

So it's well within anyone's rights to propose a change to our laws that differs from my values and yours, even if those changes are counter to any current constitutional amendment.

One should be aware, however, that changing the Constitution is a difficult process, and can't be done without either a referendum or a 2/3 congressional vote. These are almost impossible for benign sounding legislation (because most of us believe our Constitution is quite adequate), let alone radical sounding ideas such as banning private property.

But it is not treasonous to propose banning private property. It's just stupid.

If we start imprisoning, deporting, or killing people just because we disagree with them, then we lose the core values we place on free speech and privacy. And we dishonor those who have fallen in defense of the Declaration of Independence, as well as the Bill of Rights.

The problems we've been facing in our country with Marxism and Islamic extremism are counterable with ordinary means: Americans have to get back to the basics of our values, both in our family units and in our dealings with each other. We need to teach people who've immigrated into this country what it means to be American, as well.

I think many Americans (not here on Free Republic) forgot who they were; 9/11 gave us all a wakeup call. Nevermind that Janeane Garafalo hasn't heard it yet -- the President's approval polls suggest most have.

My views about immigrants are harsh. First, now is not the time for us to be welcoming people into our country while we are trying to sort out who hates us and who doesn't. Secondly, I'm convinced that green card holders and naturalized citizens are fair game for "unconstitutional" investigations. Human rights apply, but we are at war now; the Bill of Rights is for native born Americans. And anyone who opposes racial or religious profiling at a time like this is playing into the hands of Islamofacsists as useful idiots. But that's why we voted for Republicans this last election. That's why Bush is in office. That's why America will survive -- people did start waking up.

But notice how Americans are working within Constitutional limits to acheive their patriotism. Also, think back to the dark days of the 1970s when it was even harder to be patriotic. Many FReepers were holding their candles under a bushel in those awful days. But most worked to express their patriotism within the Constitution, with tolerance, and nonviolently. This is why it is often said now that the Democrats and other liberals don't know how to be the underdog. Conservatives and other patriots do. They know how to be factual with their arguments. They know how to disagree respectfully. And now they're having a field day with the Appeaseniks, many of whom can only utter a cursing insult when cornered in an argument.

71 posted on 04/13/2003 11:44:02 PM PDT by risk (Live free or die.)
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