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Catholic leader wants Bush to be tried(Barf Alert)(Action Required)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 12, 2003 1:00am | WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 04/11/2003 11:26:26 PM PDT by dila813

The director of a U.S. Catholic archdiocese ministry wants to put President George W. Bush on trial for war crimes because of his Iraq policy.

In his most recent newsletter, Frank Fromherz, of the Peace and Justice Commission for the Portland Archdiocese in Oregon urged like-minded Catholics to back an ecumenical group's request that "the International Criminal Court indict and prosecute our own president as a war criminal."

Fromherz and the commission's other two employees lost their jobs this week along with 15 others in a round of archdiocese layoffs attributed to budget cuts.

But Portland Archbishop John G. Vlazny apparently had warned Fromherz, who served as director for 12 years, that his antiwar activism was pushing the limits.

Spokesman Bud Bunce said the archdiocese has never addressed the issue of whether the president should be tried for war crimes.

"It doesn't sound like something the archbishop would say," Bunce told WorldNetDaily. "His main comments about the Iraqi situation have been to encourage Catholics to pray for a quick end to the war, and for those involved."

Fromherz, 49, said in his April 2 dispatch: "We must be in solidarity with the social power of active nonviolence among the people who make their home along the Tigris and Euphrates. Our first and foremost challenge, to which we are a coalition of the willing, is to bring home our troops and, yes, join the Fellowship of Reconciliation (www.forusa.org) in requesting that the International Criminal Court indict and prosecute our own President as a war criminal. The Administration's action is a moral outrage, not a matter of opinion."

Fromherz said archdiocese officials told him Tuesday in a personnel session that he was fired because he violated his role as an agent for the archbishop, the Portland Oregonian reported.

The principle of agency means that an archdiocese director is an extension of the archbishop.

Fromherz said Tuesday in a message to supporters following his dismissal, "In my view, I have been a good agent of the Good News."

"I shall continue to do so to the best of my ability," he said. "I am sure that Archbishop Vlazny likewise is striving to live the Gospel to the best of his ability. I sincerely hope that all who speak for peace in this time of Superpower arrogance will find their voice and the courage of their convictions."

Vlazny is a member of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which had opposed the war, stating that it did not meet "just war" criteria. But since the conflict began, the bishops have called for a quick end and expressed hope that the "people of Iraq will soon enjoy a peace with freedom and justice."

Under the auspices of the archdiocese, Fromherz has helped organize antiwar protests in Portland, including one planned for today.

In an April 3 note, Vlazny wrote Fromherz: "I've told you I don't want the archdiocese sponsoring rallies like the one you describe for April 12. You know I won't be there."

Fromherz told the Oregonian that the decision to dismiss him, "which is quite abrupt, could send a chilling message to someone in a parish who doesn't see eye-to-eye with the archbishop."

Some Oregon Catholics, while expressing satisfaction with Fromherz's removal, note that he has been allowed to espouse his ideas for the past dozen years.

Stephen Brady, who leads a Catholic watchdog group in Illinois, characterizes Catholic peace and justice ministries across the nation as being "for the most part politically driven and left-leaning."

Noting the Jesuits' influence in South America with Marxist groups, he sees a long history of Catholic ties to leftist movements.

"It's a matter of history, there is no denying it," said Brady, president of Roman Catholic Faithful. "It's coming to the surface in the morally bankrupt condition of the hierarchy. Look at the bishops' need [last year] to vote on whether a priest who rapes a child should be allowed to wear a collar after one incident."

A Jesuit priest, Fr. John Dear, is a recent former executive director of the Fellowship of Reconciliation, the 85 year-old interfaith group that wants to try President Bush for war crimes.

The international pacifist organization was formed in an attempt to stop the outbreak of war in Europe in 1914. According to its history, in 1940, it also encouraged "nonviolent resistance to World War II."


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Send a letter to the Editor of the Catholic Sentinel, Portland Archbishop John G. Vlazny is a piece writer for this Catholic Newspaper and this is where they will get your feedback and send it on to those involved.

http://www.sentinel.org/submissions/letter.html

***My Letter to the Editor*** I am distressed that many in the Catholic Church and the Buarquasie are involved in political debates addressing secular things instead of concentrating on the ministry of addressing the spiritual well being of its members.

Recently I heard that Frank Fromherz, of the Peace and Justice Commission called on like minded Catholics to back the ecumenical group's request that "the International Criminal Court indict and prosecute President George W Bush.

I ask, why? And even if you think this should be done, why would this be a Catholic matter?

As the Catholic Church drifts from addressing the spiritual needs of its members to taking part in international politics and activism in the secular world it is asking for retribution and activism aimed at the dismantling of the Church itself.

I am believe that the Church is losing its way and forgetting that one of the primary purposes of the Church is to teach Right vs. Wrong, the recognition that there is evil in the world, and how to identify it so you will not stray from the path.

1 posted on 04/11/2003 11:26:27 PM PDT by dila813
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2 posted on 04/11/2003 11:28:35 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: dila813; *Catholic_list
Fromherz is no longer an official representative of the RCC, if I read this correctly. So isn't the issue now moot?
3 posted on 04/11/2003 11:30:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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To: dila813
Archdiocese of Portland Office of Justice and Peace
and Catholic Campaign for Human Development

Here is the link:
http://www.archdpdx.org/justice_and_peace/

News Release/Statement on Iraq
http://www.archdpdx.org/justice_and_peace/j&pstatement.htm

February 7, 2003

NEWS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
For More Information, Contact:
Bud Bunce (503) 233-8373
bbunce@archdpdx.org

Archdiocesan Justice and Peace Commission urges peace in Iraq

The Archdiocesan Justice and Peace Commission has issued a statement urging
the United States to avoid war with Iraq. The Commission noted that it raises its
collective voice as have other faith communities and the U. S. Bishops. Referring to the
November 13, 2002 statement of the American Bishops, the Justice and Peace
Commission asserts that lay Catholics "have the responsibility to transform the social
order in light of the Gospel, truly living the Gospel values that we profess."


The Commission emphasized, "People of many faiths are questioning the risk
and cost of a potential war that could easily result in unpredictable and unintended
consequences." The Commission noted that analysts "alert us to the possibility of high
numbers of civilian causalities, the loss of military personnel, more anti-American
sentiment around the world, increased terrorism, greater instability among nations and
more violent reactions in an already volatile Middle East."


The statement asks that national leaders "avoid the destructiveness of war by
finding a better way to resolve the very real threats involved in the conflict with Iraq."
Quoting from the prophet Micah, "in the days to come… they shall beat their swords into
plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; one nation shall not raise the sword
against another, nor shall they train for war again" (Micah 4:3).


The members of the Archdiocesan Justice and Peace Commission are: Sister
Kathy Carr, BVM, Corvallis, Father Patrick Donoghue, Sublimity, Edward Gallagher,
Portland, Sister Dodi Poelzer, MM, Eugene, Sabino Sardineta, Cornelius, Jim
Scherzinger, Portland, Estelle Sullivan, Gresham, Wendy Van Elverdinghe, Dallas,
Silvia Vazquez-Rios, Corvallis, and Gertrude L. Welsh, Portland.
4 posted on 04/11/2003 11:31:50 PM PDT by dila813
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Check on this article again, I posted more info.

This commission is still doing this, this guy just revealed the depth of activism going on.
5 posted on 04/11/2003 11:34:32 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
The director of a U.S. Catholic archdiocese ministry wants to put President George W. Bush on trial for war crimes because of his Iraq policy.

When this gaggle of goofs gets rid of all the NAMBLA members hidding behind a priests frock and makes sure that they are in the gray-bar motel come talk to us.

Until then:

SHUT UP!

6 posted on 04/11/2003 11:34:52 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: dila813
There are more people left there who are taking the same virulent tone that Fromherz did?
7 posted on 04/11/2003 11:40:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am a Catholic, and yet again I am embarassed to be. I guess that I will convert. I am so mad at the Vatican for putting up with this nonsence. Just like they turned a blind eye to horny gay pediphiles in the priesthood.
8 posted on 04/11/2003 11:44:53 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: HiTech RedNeck
>>There are more people left there who are taking the same virulent tone that Fromherz did?<<

The people who know about the atrocities of Saddam, and everyone now knows, who witnessed the valor and compassion of the American military, compassion at the risk of their own lives, and who hear the Iraqis' cries of elation at their liberation, and still continue to potray Bush as the villian, should go to Hell, and I mean that literally.
9 posted on 04/11/2003 11:49:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: lndrvr1972
>>I guess that I will convert. <<

Please don't. We need the good people to stay and fight against evil.
10 posted on 04/11/2003 11:50:35 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: lndrvr1972
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
11 posted on 04/11/2003 11:53:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I know that my statement is on emotion but I am tired of how the Vatican has pushed aside issues that need to be addressed. Now they are against the freedom of a people of a tyrant.
12 posted on 04/11/2003 11:54:11 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: dila813
If Mr. Fromherz were in my reach, I'd coldcock him in a second.
13 posted on 04/11/2003 11:55:10 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: dila813
Frank Fromherz isn't fit to clean President Bush's toilet.
14 posted on 04/11/2003 11:57:06 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: dila813
Fromherz said archdiocese officials told him Tuesday in a personnel session that he was fired because he violated his role as an agent for the archbishop, the Portland Oregonian reported.

Still doesn't sound to me like they agree with this guy's claim that Bush should be tried. Heck, they fired the guy and I didn't see any sentences in their announcements that sustain his claim...even though I don't believe in their current stance either.
15 posted on 04/11/2003 11:59:23 PM PDT by patriot5186
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To: lndrvr1972
That's their achilles' heel. They have a wealth of moral philosophy, but that same wealth mires them down in the scenarios of the past, a past that knew nothing of dirty bombs, nuclear weapons, anthrax mailers, and suicide hijackers. They can't see clear as how removing an internationally dangerous loon such as Saddam from power was not just good but imperative.
16 posted on 04/12/2003 12:00:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (A High Tech Redneck and a Software (ahem) Engineer.)
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To: dila813

LOL! Sure..

Go right ahead.

Matter of fact, those dogs over at the pentagon were in on it too! Try them all!

All that's left to do is for the much bally-hooed International Criminal Court to come and arrest them. Shouldn't be too hard for international big shots like the ICC, should it?

You will find the President in the big White House on Penn. Ave. The Pentagon isn't too awfully far off and it's easy to recognize.. Only big building there with 5 sides.

Now, tell me.. When can we expect you?

(LOL! LOL! LOL!)

17 posted on 04/12/2003 12:00:56 AM PDT by Jhoffa_ (It's called "adoption" Perhaps you've heard of it?)
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To: dila813
The Church should focus on Right versus Wrong, not Right versus Left.
18 posted on 04/12/2003 12:01:51 AM PDT by ladywolf
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To: dila813
Portland is becoming a hotbed for liberalism. Perhaps that is why this Catholic leader is calling for this. The left is so out of control in all areas that you never should be surprised at anything they say or do.
19 posted on 04/12/2003 12:04:24 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nooo, by no means is it moot.

It's got unexplored comedic value yet! All kinds of untapped potential here! I can just imagine Conan or Leno doing a skit on it.

The ICC come and arrest our President for "war crimes" ?

LOL!

"Mr. President? Sir, do you have a moment?"

"Certainly, what is it?"

"Some, men from the International Criminal Court are here to arrest you for 'War Crimes' Sir.

"Ahh, I see.. Tell the Secret Service to disarm them and lock them in the trunk of their limo, would you please? Then get Dick to drive them to some embassy or something and let them go.. I'm very busy here."

"Yes sir. Right away Mr. President.. "

20 posted on 04/12/2003 12:07:08 AM PDT by Jhoffa_ (It's called "adoption" Perhaps you've heard of it?)
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