What's been stated is that Aryan Nation and Christian Identity types respect your sources, much moreso than mainstream archaeologists, anthropologists, Historians, linguists, and geneticists. This is a real problem for your position.
Posted on 04/11/2003 5:14:00 AM PDT by Asher
Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe
By Judy Siegel
JERUSALEM (November 20) - Genetic evidence continues to provide additional proof to the claims that the Jewish people are descended from a common ancient Israelite father: Despite being separated for over 1,000 years, Sephardi Jews of North African origin are genetically indistinguishable from their brethren from Iraq, according to The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
They also proved that Sephardi Jews are very close genetically to the Jews of Kurdistan, and only slight differences exist between these two groups and Ashkenazi Jews from Europe.
These conclusions are reached in an article published recently in the American Journal of Human Genetics and written by Prof. Ariella Oppenheim of the Hebrew University (HU) and Hadassah-University Hospital in Ein Kerem.
Others involved are German doctoral student Almut Nebel, Dr. Marina Faerman of HU, Dr. Dvora Filon of Hadassah-University Hospital, and other colleagues from Germany and India.
The researchers conducted blood tests of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish Jews and examined their Y chromosomes, which are carried only by males. They then compared them with those of various Arab groups - Palestinians, Beduins, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese - as well as to non-Arab populations from Transcaucasia - Turks, Armenians and Moslem Kurds.
The study is based on 526 Y chromosomes typed by the Israeli team and additional data on 1,321 individuals from 12 populations. The typing of the Jewish groups was performed at the National Genome Center at HU's Silberman Institute of Life Sciences.
The Fertile Crescent of the Middle East was one of the few centers in which the transition from hunting-gathering to permanent settlement and agriculture took place. Genetic studies suggest that migrating Neolithic farmers dispersed their technological innovations and domesticated animals from the Middle East towards Europe, North Africa and Southwest Asia.
Studies of Y chromosomes have become powerful tools for the investigation of the genetic history of males, since these chromosomes are transmitted from fathers to sons.
Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history, and indicate that the Jews are direct descendants of the early Middle Eastern core populations, which later divided into distinct ethnic groups speaking different languages.
Previous investigations by the HU researchers suggested a common origin for Jewish and non-Jewish populations living in the Middle East. The current study refines and delineates that connection.
It is believed that the majority of today's Jews - not including converts and non-Jews with whom Jews intermarried - descended from the ancient Israelis that lived in the historic Land of Israel until the destruction of the Second Temple and their dispersal into the Diaspora.
The researchers say that a genetic analysis of the chromosomes of Jews from various countries show that there was practically no genetic intermixing between them and the host populations among which they were scattered during their dispersion - whether in Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal or North Africa.
A particularly intriguing case illustrating this is that of the Kurdish Jews, said to be the descendants of the Ten Tribes of Israel who were exiled in 723 BCE. to the area known today as Kurdistan, located in Northern Iraq, Iran and Eastern Turkey. They continued to live there as a separate entity until their immigration to Israel in the 1950s. The Kurdish Jews of today show a much greater affinity to their fellow Jews elsewhere than to the Kurdish Moslems.
(Source: The Jerusalem Post Newspaper)
I have not tried to "assassinate" anyone. By their fruits ye shall know them.
Many of the cited sources are available ONLY from hate-filled fringe groups who have a vile agenda to push. Perhaps the authors did not have that agenda in mind, but they are being used promote and validate that agenda.
E. Raymond Capt provided a CV that attempts to give himself honors he did not earn or deserve to give his ideas more weight than they deserve. Exposing the charlatan IS legitimate. Would you choose to believe a liar?
Those who make extraordinary claims must provide extraordinary proof...
Credibility must be earned. Merely claiming credibility is worthless... especially if one must lie about one's education to do so.
Sources of information MUST be known and examined to learn if there is an agenda distorting that information. If the source of the information is suspect, then so is the information.
I went far beyond the obvious research on your citations to see if they could be acquired from any other sources... and except for a couple of used book stores, half of them were available ONLY from organizations that are pushing either neo-nazi, white supremacy or Christian Identity ideologies. That makes the source extremely suspect.
If your sources and theorists are unbelievable, then the arguments you make based on those sources and theories are themselves, unbelievable. Your sources have been discredited... perhaps you need to reconsider your position.
The origins of these pseudo Protestant theories arise in the late 19th century when the Western Europeans looked back in antiquity and found their origins less than ideal and living in a time when cultic anti-Semitism was growing. Suddenly, worshiping God who took on the form of a Jewish man by a religion founded by Jews, something the Church (even during the Dark Ages) always took as a good sign (i.e., the Jewish tradition was designed by God to produce a Chosen People that would be worthy enough from which to produce his Son from) became problematic. In order to over come this sense of inferiority (how can the Germanic peoples who have all these newly built factories be inferior to those Southern folk?) and to accommodate their cultic anti-Semitism the Lost-Tribes of Israel as an origin for the Germanic peoples was born.
The need to invent some sort of Folk history is also akin to the Afro-centric Black Nationalists who also invoke links to Ancient Egypt that do not exist.
Their is little different in say the Black Israelite movement (who also claim Jews of today are not really the true Jews) and the Germano-Israelite groups.
According to the bible "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews chapter 1 verse 1
Faith isn't as magical as people make it out to be. It takes evidence and proof. Many can say I have faith that Tiger Woods will beat Jordan in a game of basketball. They can sell their souls for that belief, they can sell all and give all for that belief. That isn't faith -- that is a demonstration of foolish wishfulness. Some call that blind faith, I call it foolishness.
I have faith that Roy Jones Jr. will win his next boxing match. Based on his previous performances, I've got a great chance of being right. I haven't seen him win his future fight, but I'm exercising my faith that he will most certainly win.
I have faith in my eyes. I believe that if I look both ways before I cross the street I will not get hit by a vehicle.
When I look at a wonderful picture, or nicely crafted piece of furniture, I have faith that a human created it. It never crosses my mind that a monkey or a bear might have created it.
When I look at the wonders of creation I conclude that a wonderful and awesome Creator must have done the work. I never suppose that a man might have created the tree or came up with the concept of seed bearing.
Science can demonstrate things that are not seen. To name a few, Air, Magnetism, Radio Frequencies, and gravity.
Albet Einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe." (I hope I quoted that correctly)
Mr.Newton was also fully aware of a creator.
Science doesn't go against God. Now we need to decide who has done more harm to the Evidence of a Creator, is it the phoney scientist or the phoney preachers? They have all taken a toll.
What's been stated is that Aryan Nation and Christian Identity types respect your sources, much moreso than mainstream archaeologists, anthropologists, Historians, linguists, and geneticists. This is a real problem for your position.
What about Baptist interpretations? Baptists aren't Protestant
But just to be on the safe side let's put the two questions to you again shall we?
A) Are the Jewish people today in Israel the same Jewish people of the old Testament (God's Chosen People) AND
B) if they are do they have a right to the land and a homeland that they feel is the land God gave to them?
Take your time, although I doubt you'll bother answering them since you didn't the first time. A simple yes or no will do.
I have a dictionary and I understand what science is supposed to be. Unfortunately, what you call science isn't in the dictionary -- your science is a mix of peoples hate and a wad of nothingness created by a group of men with 12 years of college under their belt. They all need to smoke more hash, and learn to shut up while the rest of us poor ignornat souls appreciate the power of child birth, the beauty of a flower and the wonder of this creation we live in.
I have a hard time believing that Darwin was so perplexed by the fact that the white moths were being eaten before the darker mouths ... PERHAPS the birds saw the white ones better? Is that science or common sense? Or lets call it survival of the bionic ... no science involved when you have a herd of retards following a retard and that's all you have today -- professors/scientist riding the train of the less gifted. Darwin wasn't all that bright and several still attempt to ride on his attempts to come up with ground breaking somethingness. He is no different than Joseph Smith, Leaky and the rest of the nerds that put "try to be different" ahead of decency. Daddy didn't pay enough attention to any of them.
Detro, if you tell me Ivory soap floats, I will go to the sink, fill it up and place a bar of Ivory soap in it and if it floats, I'll take the findings and believe ... that is science. If you tell me that Aliens are currently flying around our planet and abducting people ... I'm going to have to challenge you.
based on the law of averages there has to be life on other planets. that isn't science. Right? But that is certainly called science fiction until proven otherwise.
Taking a tooth and making a male and female skull from it, that isn't science is it? And when someone calls you a retard because the tooth that you created these skulls from belonged to a pig from long ago, that isn't nice and polite, is it? And when men dig up skulls and stain them with tea so that the skull appears aged, that isn't science, right? etc ... I know what science is according to the dictionary.
Perhaps you should hand out your version of the dictionary so that we can all come up to your level.
The Jews of the Old Testament have passed away. But there are still Jews living in Israel.
Sorry, I couldn't resist
Wrong again. Knowledge is not power. That was and still is a fable with a nice ring to it.
Wisdom is power. We are instructed to ask God for it. Therefore, every man can have wisdom. Just ask.
"[I]n this day and age" also has a nice sound to it, but in reality it's nothing more than shibboleth. Wisdom has been and is universal in its strength over mere knowledge since time began. Knowledge makes educated fools most of the time. That's it.
Knowledge is not power.
Knowledge never makes educated fools. Lies make, the big twist makes, deception makes edumacated fools.
Knowledge and wisdom tend to make people of sorrow -- see the writings of Solomon (for details see below).
Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom [is] much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
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