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Who Armed Iraq? Myth vs. Fact
Free Dominion/Newsmax ^ | March 17, 2003 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 04/10/2003 4:27:37 PM PDT by backhoe

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To: backhoe
Off the top of my head, we backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war, as the lesser of two evils

Actually, this too is a lie from the left. As strange as it might seem, we backed our "enemy" Iran, not Iraq. Reagan sold Iran TOW ATGMs, HAWK SAMs, and spare parts for the systems sold to the earlier Shah regime, in order for Iran to be able to effectively resist Iraq. The only time we ever gave any "backing" to Iraq was a single instance in which the state department gave them strategic intelligence in order to prevent an Iranian incursion into Basra.

21 posted on 04/10/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: backhoe
Send this to a lefty - it'll make them sick!

Here are the signs:

Denial
Retort
Wild name-calling
Allegations of media cover-up
Vow of hatred toward you for sending this
Damage control
Mental meltdown

Did I mention denial?
22 posted on 04/10/2003 5:14:32 PM PDT by petuniasevan (Non-paying FReepers: "Put your money where your mouth is!")
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To: backhoe
bump
23 posted on 04/10/2003 5:18:15 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Technogeeb
Appreciate the info-- I was around then, but it's been a long dam' time ago...
24 posted on 04/10/2003 5:18:26 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: petuniasevan
Wild name-calling

That's the part I like... I figure it's projection--

25 posted on 04/10/2003 5:20:55 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: WSGilcrest
Here is another source with the same info. It is from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. From the name, hardly a right-wing organization.

Main page for Iraqi arms purchases

Table with values for each year by country and totals for year and country

Table showing detail of what type of weapons

I found it interesting that what we sold them was a total of 117 helicopters over a three year period from 1983-1985 of which 87 were intended for civilian use but taken over by the military. I would hardly call that arming them. France sold them 108 Mirage Fighter jets. Russia was the big supplier overall with just one sale being 2,150 T-62 tanks. But as far as just tanks go, China sold them 2,600.

26 posted on 04/10/2003 5:21:13 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: Djarum
A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former policymakers

The problem with most of these interviews with "former policymakers" is that they refer to Howard Teicher, who is a liar. Teicher insisted for years that several of the classified Reagan-era NSDD (national security decision directives, including NSDD-26 & 28) from 1982 secretly authorized the arming of Iraq. Unfortunately for him, those documents are now declassified, and really had nothing to do with Iraq (they established nuclear weapon stockpile policies). You can go to the Reagan presidential library and see for yourself if you like.

The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague

While techically true, this sounds more ominous than it is. The "numerous items" were just biological cultures, freely given at the time to just about anyone who asked for them (anthrax for cattle vaccine, etc) who had the proper technical credentials (they were sent to universities in Baghdad). They were also approved by the Commerce department, which, while technically part of the "administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush", were really just bureaucrats doing their job without any influence from any higher authority.

In other words, part of the Washington Post story based on a lie; the rest is just a deliberate distortion.

27 posted on 04/10/2003 5:21:14 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Belial
I think he's talking to you.
28 posted on 04/10/2003 5:22:56 PM PDT by TomB
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To: backhoe
Excellent info.

And, oh yeah, BTTT.
29 posted on 04/10/2003 5:25:28 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (OAKLAND RAIDERS AFC CHAMPIONS!!!!)
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To: Technogeeb
Interesting, thanks.
30 posted on 04/10/2003 5:25:45 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: backhoe
It is a good linear look at conventional weapons...

Maybe some freeper can fill out the details of how Iraq came to possess chem/bio and nuke tech...

I am a big boy...did we sell them that stuff like the left says we did?
31 posted on 04/10/2003 5:27:16 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: WSGilcrest
good chart
32 posted on 04/10/2003 5:29:15 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: WSGilcrest
Well, I saw the same graph in the Weekly Standard Magazine - which means it passed their veracity checks. It looks right to me!
33 posted on 04/10/2003 5:30:01 PM PDT by MortMan
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To: backhoe
bttt
34 posted on 04/10/2003 5:30:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: antaresequity
Chemical weapons are relatively easy to produce (or so I understand). Nerve gas is chemically very close to common pesticides, which are readily available. European nations sold the necessary equipment to produce the nerve gas. Which specific nations, I do not know.
35 posted on 04/10/2003 5:33:52 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All
Thanks for looking... dropping offline; time to bed down the household.
36 posted on 04/10/2003 5:34:19 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Djarum
Anybody have any good sources on the acussation that we supplied them with Chemical/Biological weapons, or the precursors or equipment?

I ran across some info a few weeks back but I failed to bookmark it. I will look for it again. In short - for an extended period of time US policy was that any research labs were required to share viruses and items like anthrax with other research labs from other countries if that country was not deemed an "enemy." We sent three shipments to university research hospital in Iraq, with the first being in 1973. A lab in England supplied the fourth. The objective was to help others try to come up with antidotes or cures for certain diseases. It was not until Iraq invaded Kuwait that we put them on the "bad" list that would have prohibited the export of any anthrax or similar items.

The policy was naive but had good intentions. In hindsight, it was probably pretty stupid. In 1973 we were heavily involved in Vietnam and the Middle East was probably not high on our radar screen. Then in the 1980s after the hostage situation in Iran we saw Iraq as the enemy of our enemy so no flag would have been triggered by sales of viral strains to a University research hospital there at that time. Unfortunately, this has been spun into us somehow deliberatly creating a biological weapons program for Iraq as policy.

As soon as I locate something substantive I will post it.

37 posted on 04/10/2003 5:39:43 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: backhoe
Bump for Later reading...
38 posted on 04/10/2003 5:44:21 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Purple Aes Sedai , Jack Straw Fan Club, and Gonzo News Service)
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To: Technogeeb
Since it was an article in from the Washingtonpost website.. I found it suspect...
39 posted on 04/10/2003 6:07:30 PM PDT by Grymskull
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To: Djarum
Okay, got something here:
This is a copy of the Riegle report that was submitted to Congress in 1994. It is in regards to the possibility that some of our military were exposed to chemical or biological agents during the first Gulf War.

Full report here

Detailed list of every biological agent shipped to Iraq

What I and Technogeeb said is pretty accurate. This shows only two shipments but each contained more than one sample. The third, as I stated earlier was, I believe, in 1973.

SNIP

Date : May 2, 1986
Sent To : Ministry of Higher Education
Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus Anthracis Cohn (ATCC 10)
Batch # 08-20-82 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

12. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14185)
Batch #01-14-80 (3 each)
G.G. Wright (Fort Detrick)
V770-NP1-R. Bovine Anthrax
Class III pathogen

13. Bacillus Anthracis (ATCC 14578)
Batch #01-06-78 (2 each)
Class III pathogen

Date : September 29, 1988
Sent To : Ministry of Trade
Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240)
Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938)
Batch # 1963 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705)
Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966)
Batch #05-05-70 (3 each)
Class III pathogen

from the text: "...pathogenic (meaning "disease producing"), toxigenic (meaning "poisonous"), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Records prior to 1985 were not available, according to the supplier."

40 posted on 04/10/2003 6:14:14 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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