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American Flag Flap
ABCNews.com ^ | 4/10/2003 | ABC News

Posted on 04/10/2003 4:04:59 PM PDT by knuthom

It took Cpl. Edward Chin just seconds to hang an American flag on the head of Saddam Hussein's statue in central Baghdad, but it's a move that's likely to be debated for years to come.

The mood of Iraqi civilians was briefly muted in Baghdad Wednesday as Chin climbed up and covered Saddam's face with an American flag.

The crowd's loud cheers faded, and in less than a minute the Stars and Stripes was removed from the massive statue and replaced with Iraq's black, white and red flag.

Chin's move touched a sensitive chord among Arabs and irritated U.S. military leaders who want Iraqis to view U.S. forces as liberators, not occupiers.

Chin, of the 3rd battalion, 4th Marines regiment, says he was just following orders in the minutes before the statue was pulled to the ground in a joint effort by jubilant Iraqis and U.S. troops.

Following Orders

"I was just trying my best to get the chain around his neck and put the flag on his head," Chin told ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. "Pretty much at the moment I was just doing what I was told to do by my commanding officer," he said.

The televised gesture drew mixed reactions around the world and anger from a commentator on the Arab news network al Arabiya.

"That should have been the Iraqi flag," said an al Arabiya announcer.

U.S. military leaders have set boundaries on American flag displays in an effort to avoid provoking Arab emotions over the war in Iraq. U.S. troops have been ordered not to display flags, whether the American flag or those of their military unit, in Iraq.

When Marines briefly raised the flag after moving into the southern Iraqi city of Umm Qasr in late March, the commander of the war in Iraq Gen. Tommy Franks said he was pleased with their decision to removed the flag quickly.

"I think that, in zeal, people will want to represent that they have achieved a certain milestone," he said, following the Umm Qasr incident. "And if you're from our country, then one of the first things that can pop into the young man's mind is to raise his national colors." But, Franks said, the job "had to do with liberation and not occupation."

Chin, from New York, says that in retrospect he can understand why some people might be upset by the gesture, but he says the American flag wasn't blanketed over Saddam's head in an effort to anger anyone. He says it was just their way of being part of the celebration that was taking place all around them.

"It was a crazy experience. A lot of people — Iraqi people — downstairs below us chanting, and just being able to do that … I'm still blown away," Chin said.

"And the flag — it was on the Pentagon when it got hit on 9/11. That was the same flag, and me being from New York, it kind of all goes together a little bit. It was a team effort, which made it even better, you know," he said.

Family Is Proud

Chin, 23, and his family are ethnic Chinese from Myanmar, formerly Burma. The family moved to Brooklyn, N.Y., when Chin was just a week old. Chin, a graduate of the Bronx High School of Science, joined the Corps in 1999 and was assigned to the First Tank Battalion at the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms, Calif., before being shipped off to Kuwait in January.

His parents, Stanley and Lai Chin, said they did not know exactly where their son was until Tuesday, when his fiancee received a call from Chin saying he was OK and about to go into Baghdad.

They were watching the live pictures coming from Baghdad Wednesday when they spotted their son.

"Ah, that's him. My son. I so proud, and then I so happy, and then I cry, you know," Chin's mother Lai said. "I quickly call my daughter, and 'You know, my son is on the TV.'"

"I thought, 'Oh, my son, you are making history, you are part of the Iraqis' liberation," said his father, Stanley Chin.

Chin's fiancee, Anna Fu, 22, a senior at New York Institute of Technology in Manhattan, said she knew Chin meant no disrespect in draping the flag over the statue.

"He probably just wanted to show that freedom has come to the Iraqi people," she said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baghdad; chin; edwardchin; fallofbaghdad; flag; flagraising; oldglory; rejoice; saddamstatue; statue; victory
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Did anyone record this? This article and another I've seen today both claim that the crowd went quiet when the American flag was draped over Saddam's face. But my daughter and I were watching it live and we both thought that the crowd cheered louder when he put the US flag up. Can someone check on this?
1 posted on 04/10/2003 4:04:59 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: knuthom
I can't remember for sure, but I thought the crowd cheered LOUDLY! As for Corporal Chin there is no debate in my mind. I want him to stay in the military and "mustang" his way to General Chin!
2 posted on 04/10/2003 4:07:52 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: knuthom
It's a move that's likely to be debated for years to come only by those whose only desire is endless debate. The rest of us could care less.
3 posted on 04/10/2003 4:08:36 PM PDT by UB355
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To: knuthom
Our flag should be on permanent display on Sadams head. If Iraq does not like it, tough.
4 posted on 04/10/2003 4:08:45 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: All

It's Time To Shut Little Tommy Up !


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5 posted on 04/10/2003 4:09:26 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: knuthom
I hope someone finds an E-Mail to Corporal Chin or his family. I would like to see thousands of Freepers send words of support to him.
6 posted on 04/10/2003 4:09:46 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: knuthom
I was watching too, and I thought I noticed the same thing. To me, it very MUCH sounded like the crowd was cheering.
7 posted on 04/10/2003 4:11:40 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: knuthom
The crowd sounded really happy to me, too. And then somebody ran up with an (old) Iraqi flag, and he removed the American flag - which, if I recall correctly, somebody else went down to the pedestal and waved - and put up the Iraqi flag.

I thought it was great, and I thought the Iraqis loved it. Sour grapes for ABC.
8 posted on 04/10/2003 4:12:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: knuthom
I saw it live. They cheered louder. The crowd was euphoric.
9 posted on 04/10/2003 4:12:55 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: knuthom
Well, I watched the live coverage, and I heard the crowd cheering when Chin put the flag on Saddam's head. It wasn't muted cheering either.
10 posted on 04/10/2003 4:14:21 PM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: knuthom
I was listening live; the crowd cheered the Stars and Stripes. I didn't record it.
11 posted on 04/10/2003 4:15:22 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: sheik yerbouty
I saw that too....
12 posted on 04/10/2003 4:16:16 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Arby's says no more Horsey Sauce for Scott Ritter !!!!)
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Did anyone record this? This article and another I've seen today both claim that the crowd went quiet when the American flag was draped over Saddam's face. But my daughter and I were watching it live and we both thought that the crowd cheered louder when he put the US flag up. Can someone check on this?

I watched. The crown cheered. Then, when the flag was taken down, it was handed to an Iraqi on the base of the statue who held it and waved it around.

13 posted on 04/10/2003 4:18:24 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: knuthom
More crap out of the mouth of ABC.

Numerous reports from the scene and the live video feed documented that the crowd noise did not change when our flag went up.

The flag came down immediately upon orders from an officer on the ground, oders shouted to Chin before he put up the flag. If you watch carefully you can see Chin arguing with officers on the ground before he put the flag up.

14 posted on 04/10/2003 4:19:21 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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I too watched. When our soldier Chin raised the American flag, I cringed knowing the political repercussions. What a dufus move.

Nevertheless, I was pleased that the reaction of the crowd was one of increased jubilation, not silence. However, the shot was heard round the world, not just at Paradise Square. It was a bone-headed move. I'm just glad our guys made it there safely to liberate the Iraqis. Damn the naysayers.
15 posted on 04/10/2003 4:20:09 PM PDT by Principled
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To: knuthom
This is such a bunch of crapola. Tell the men and women who died not to put up the flag on Saddam's head.

We paid for the liberation of Iraq in both blood and money and our beloved Old Glory has the right to wave, to have it's moment in the Sun if temporarily.

Yes, we do not want the Iraqi's to get the wrong message, of this I agree, but I think the Iraqi's are intelligent enought to know we are not conquers but liberators.

For heavens sake, they were and are waving Old Glory!

Hide my flag, NEVER.
16 posted on 04/10/2003 4:23:37 PM PDT by Freeper Lady
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To: knuthom
".....irritated U.S. military leaders.....

No doubt enlisted personnel can and will do just that - the Generals and their dog-robbing Colonels should just shut the h--- up if they know what's good for 'em! And those senior civilians who sound like a bunch of State Department nannies? Same for them.

Then there are the "newsies" whose brains went numb at the sight of an American flag - they should go back to France where they belong.

17 posted on 04/10/2003 4:24:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: livius
I agree with you. I think that is what happened. He hung our flag; and someone with the Iraq flag handed it to him and he hung that. I support Cpl. Chin. He is a good American.
18 posted on 04/10/2003 4:25:01 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Enterprise
Chin and his family were with Katie this morning. He told the whole story. He said that his COMMANDER gave him the flag, it had been in the Pentagon when it was attacked. He said that he put the American Flag up, and then someone handed him an Iraqi flag. I truly, truly doubt that those people below him who were kissing the ground our soldiers were walking on would somehow all of a sudden become angry. Only Americans are so touchy about that kind of thing. These guys were great and if anyone gives them flack, I swear I will personally haunt them forever, I'm so ticked off at the press.
19 posted on 04/10/2003 4:27:32 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: knuthom
Just look at the source, man! It's from the A$$holes Ba$tard$ and Commies network. They make up things to fit their America hating agenda.
20 posted on 04/10/2003 4:28:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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