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UN gives warning to US and Britain
UK Telegraph ^ | April 8, 2003 | UK Telegraph

Posted on 04/08/2003 11:34:11 AM PDT by FairOpinion

United Nations chiefs have warned America and Britain today that Iraq is not a "treasure chest to be divvied up" after the war.

UN under-secretary general Shashi Tharoor said the Allies had no rights under international law to engage in any kind of reconstruction or creation of government without the express consent of the Security Council.

Secretary General Kofi Annan is expected to meet Tony Blair and other European leaders this week to hear what they will agree to on post-conflict Iraq.

Mr Annan will be in "listening mode" but will not be advertising the UN's services for tackling Iraq, something which could eventually be a "poisoned chalice", his right-hand man said.

But referring to the US and Britain, Mr Tharoor said this should not be a case of "people dividing up the spoils of a conquest that they undertook".

Mr Blair has reiterated his desire to see the UN play a role in post-war Iraq, but it is not clear how great he and President George Bush want that to be.

Mr Blair said Iraq should ultimately be run by the Iraqi people themselves. However, there is speculation that the US and Britain want to oversee administration in Baghdad in the initial phase after the war.

Mr Tharoor told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "The only thing that matters ultimately is the right of the Iraqi people to determine their own future, to control their own natural resources and to determine their own destinies.

"What the UN can do is to play a part in bringing that about. But that is the ultimate goal and certainly the UN has no desire whatsoever to see Iraq as some sort of treasure chest to be divvied up."

Under the Geneva Conventions, the Allies have the rights and responsibilities of any occupying power, including the responsibility to look after the territory, law and order, security and the welfare of the people on that territory.

"But that's about it," Mr Tharoor said. "They really have no rights under the Geneva Conventions to transform the society or the polity or to exploit its economic resources or anything of that sort.

"If they need to do more they need to come to the Security Council to get the backing of international law for anything more ambitious than merely being an occupying power in the military sense.

"Let's not forget that Iraq is already subject to a number of Security Council resolutions that remain valid."

Sanctions on Iraq had to be actively lifted, Mr Tharoor added.

"Anything the UN does would require a Security Council mandate, and that includes involvement in reconstruction, involvement in any aspects of governance or civil administration."

On his tour of Europe this week, Mr Annan would like to "get a sense from his point of view as to what he can expect to find himself and his organisation saddled with at the end of a Security Council process that hasn't yet begun", Mr Tharoor said.

If the US went ahead with an interim administration without Security Council backing, there would be "real difficulty in the extent to which other countries would be prepared to recognise this group as anything other than an offshoot or a branch of the military occupation in Iraq".

He added: "The UN is not the kind of private corporation that needs to increase its market share. We have quite enough to do elsewhere in the world and on other issues.

"We are certainly not seeking this assignment which in many cases, I think many aspects, of it would certainly be like drinking from a poisoned chalice."

Tony Baldry, Conservative chairman of the International Development Select Committee, told Today: "At the very least we (the committee) think it's essential that humanitarian organisations are seen as operating under the mandate of the United Nations rather than as reporting to one of the combatants."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; iraq; irrelevant; postwar; reconstruction; un; unitednations; unthugs; usoutofun; war; worlddominance
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To: FairOpinion
There's no way in hell that the President is going to actually take this crap from these losers. They louder they whine, the less chance they have of being relevant to anyone in the US. Just because they say that they matter doesn't mean it is so.

We built Germany and Japan after WWII, and the UN didn't even exist then. I'd say we've got a better track record than the UN by far.
21 posted on 04/08/2003 11:40:35 AM PDT by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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To: All
LOL. This article is funny!
22 posted on 04/08/2003 11:40:50 AM PDT by KingPin
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To: FairOpinion
UN under-secretary general Shashi Tharoor said the Allies had no rights under international law to engage in any kind of reconstruction or creation of government without the express consent of the Security Council.

This is irrelevant. There is no controlling legal authority. Ask Algore, he knows about these matters.

23 posted on 04/08/2003 11:41:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts)
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To: FairOpinion
Hahahahahaha!

1) How do you spell Veto?

2) We're there, they aren't.

3) What are they going to threaten us with? Hans Blix?

4) What was the last resolution passed by the U.N. that actually had teeth?

5) LOL

24 posted on 04/08/2003 11:42:37 AM PDT by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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To: Dog Gone
Kofi needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
25 posted on 04/08/2003 11:42:48 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: FairOpinion
What are they gonna do - inspect us to death?
26 posted on 04/08/2003 11:44:00 AM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: FairOpinion
"What the UN can do is to play a part in bringing that about.

What the UN can do is take flying leap. Like yesterday.

27 posted on 04/08/2003 11:44:19 AM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: FairOpinion
They "drank out of a poisoned chalice" back when they failed to do their job with Iraq's initial 17 Security Council resolutions. They're useless. I'd bet that the 39 other nations who are with us on Iraq would recognize ANY government that we put in place.

All those various jobs that this jerk is alluding to are funded by whom? That's right. US.

I don't know who irritates me more, Koffi and his butt buddies or Clinton and their disciples of sleaze.
28 posted on 04/08/2003 11:45:49 AM PDT by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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To: FairOpinion
the one and only word that the US ambassador or Sec. Colin Powell should use from this point forward shoulb be VETO.

A good example would be:

Reporter's question "Mr. Sec., the french is propo..."

Powell interupts and answers "The US reserves the right to VETO any action taken by the UN Security Council, so let them eat cake."



29 posted on 04/08/2003 11:46:01 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: KingPin
"Let's not forget that Iraq is already subject to a number of Security Council resolutions that remain valid."


After reading this laugh line I have to agree.
30 posted on 04/08/2003 11:46:31 AM PDT by Arkie2 (TSA ="Thousands standing around")
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To: Dog Gone
"The UN is desperately arguing that they're relevant, dammit, relevant!"

It took the UN 7 weeks to debate, consider, compromise, and finally pass a single resolution (1441) on Iraq.

But now that the UN has finally figured out that it has left itself out of the most pressing international issue of the moment, it takes scant seconds for the UN to issue statement after statement on Iraq.

Well, let them talk. It's what they seem to do best.

Also, I don't remember the UN being very concerned about whatever government the U.S. set up in postwar Afghanistan last year, or even in postwar Germany circa 1946.

But now all of a sudden, they sure seem interested in having a hand in shaping postwar Iraq, and it isn't even "postwar" yet...

31 posted on 04/08/2003 11:46:59 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: FairOpinion
*bird* UN
32 posted on 04/08/2003 11:47:34 AM PDT by SirAllen
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To: FairOpinion
I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T
33 posted on 04/08/2003 11:48:34 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (Saddam is a dead man)
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To: FairOpinion
The U.N. cant do sqwat without US financial support.

The UN (whats left of it) does not even have their own clubhouse so they must take up space on prime real estate in New York.


Lets kick them out - soon.


34 posted on 04/08/2003 11:49:04 AM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: FairOpinion
HEY KOFI, don't you have bigger things to worry about, like the 1000's getting massacred in the Congo?

Oh that's right, the UN is a joke.
35 posted on 04/08/2003 11:49:38 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: FairOpinion
i nominate baghdad bob for next secretary general of the U.N. he'd fit right in... "The U.N. is legitimate and relevant... Of course we promote human rights equally among all nations..."
36 posted on 04/08/2003 11:50:09 AM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: Arkie2
United Nations chiefs have warned America and Britain today

It's just so much intestinal gas from the decomposing corpse of the UN.
37 posted on 04/08/2003 11:50:35 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: FairOpinion
Hey Kofi---Bottom line: You better start worrying about the US "Street"! Lots of US Americans in the "street" are fed up with UN high falootin high living and high lies of the United Nitwits.

If the UN wants to stay solvent they can play a distribution role just like the victorious President said they could. That's about it.

38 posted on 04/08/2003 11:50:46 AM PDT by eleni121
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To: RightWhale
Can you picture W listening to anything by a guy names 'Sashi'...?

I think they better shut up before they Pi$$ W off...
39 posted on 04/08/2003 11:50:55 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: shotgun
the one and only word that the US ambassador or Sec. Colin Powell should use from this point forward shoulb be VETO.

See what you started, France?

40 posted on 04/08/2003 11:52:02 AM PDT by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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