Al Qaeda Website Refuses to Die

WIred News ^ | April 7, 2003 | Michelle Delio

[FairOpinion]

Repeatedly tossed off the Internet, a website believed to be al Qaeda's primary online method of communication continues to resurface as an uninvited guest on other websites.

Alneda.com first appeared after the Sept. 11 attacks, hosted by legitimate Internet service providers in Malaysia and the United States who promptly evicted the site after being alerted to its contents and purpose.

Al Neda eventually lost ownership of the Alneda.com domain in August when Jon David Messner, a hacker who runs porn sites, took it over.

But the website formerly known as Alneda.com is still online. For the past eight months, it has functioned as a so-called Internet parasite -- a site that is embedded within another website without the site owner's knowledge.

[FairOpinion]

Long, but interesting. I hope the FBI is tracking them.

[b4its2late]

Let the geeks have at 'em. They'll be down more than they're up.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Why not send them some quality Microsoft software products to help them run their computers?

[I still care]

The message contained statements such as "no prophet should take prisoners until he kills many enemies" and "if you meet the infidels (in battle) deal blows at their necks. Let your attitude to the crusaders be as the line of poetry: There is no reproach between me and you except the stabbing of kidneys and the chopping of heads."

I've always loved that poem. Poetry is such a noble art.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Support Log for Request 41359

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Liquid Web, Inc. abuse ID# 41033] Waiting for your response

2003-04-05 21:05:05

=?iso-8859-1?q?Johnathan=20Galt?= johnathanrgalt@yahoo.co.uk wrote at 2003-04-05 21:05:05 :

Yes, Liquid Web sent me the same form wanting to close the problem report (I
suppose an 'open' problem report looks bad on the monthly status).

I think the issue is definitely *NOT* resolved. 

The gains Al'Qaeda makes by freely communicating and coordinating their next
murderous attack -- perhaps through an undecipherable code, or open recruitment
of the next generation of terrorists and propaganda more than offset any
potential gains the Feds may get by monitoring IP activity at the site.

Besides, once the location of the site becomes common knowledge then curiosity
seekers or the hundreds of anti-cyber-terror activists (such as myself) will
click into the site making any IP data captured worthless.

And, when they get shut down, more information can be gotten when they try to
come up again through legal or illegal means. 

I think Liquid Web and the Feds should make the IPs of the hackers/attackers
and whatever else is known about them public information and seek to prosecute
them in a court of law.   After all, they did break the law when they hacked
into their system.  Al'Qaeda broke the law.  They should be punished.

Why are Islamist cyber-terrorists given a free ticket to hack?









Subject: Re: Fwd: [Liquid Web, Inc. abuse ID# 41033] Waiting for your response

2003-04-06 05:03:25

johnathanrgalt@yahoo.co.uk wrote at 2003-04-06 05:03:25 :


The URL in question is:

 http://www.educa.com/forum/forum_1_1b3/indexe.php?&tit=ENGLISH

This is the umpteenth time Al'Qaeda has chosen Liquid Web's client/customers
for a hack/attack.   This looks very bad. 

I have been through numerous battles with other ISPs -- Burst.net, EV1, and
others about their hosting of terrorist sites of Hamas, Hezbullah, Islamic
Jehad, Laskar Jehad, ... and dozens more listed by the U.S. State Dept. as
terrorist. 

Burst.net and EV1 both claimed that someone in the Govt. was forcing them to
host terrorist sites such as 'Azzam.com' or the 'Al-Qassam Martyrs Brigade,
Miltary Wing of Hamas'.  Eventually these ISPs TOSed the Islamist/terrorist
sites they were hosting (after many months of on-line arguements). 

This is Al'Qaeda. Please make these evil people and their methods known! 
Publish their IP addresses and where they are originating from. Take legal
action against them. They are breaking the law by hacking your customers. Also,
Al'Qaeda's constant hacking of Liquid Web is damaging your business reputation.

Don't protect them (even if it is found that the hackers are originating from
Saudi Arabia or the USA).  

Tell the Feds monitoring this site that the minor amount of intelligence they
get is more than offset by the major amount of gain that Al'Qaeda gets through
communication, recruitment, and propaganda.

- Johnathan Galt
Moderator of Terror_Web
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Terror_Web/

[JohnathanRGalt]

Jehadi website ping: (let me know if you want on or off)

[steve-b]

Al Neda eventually lost ownership of the Alneda.com domain in August when Jon David Messner, a hacker who runs porn sites, took it over.

LOL -- putting a porn site on their domain name would be the perfect in-your-face dis.

[FairOpinion]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

It does sound peculiar that they keep using Liquid Web.

Doesn't it make you wonder, if maybe Liquid Web itself is somehow involved with Al Qaeda and is enabling them?

[JohnathanRGalt]

Why not send them some quality Microsoft software products to help them run their computers?

I don't think we can't blame Microsoft for this hacking -- according to

The site www.educa.com is running Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_throttle/3.1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.0 PHP/4.3.1 mod_log_bytes/1.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b on Linux.

Don't know what security hole Al-Qaeda is exploiting -- but if it's one in FrontPage, then we can still blame MicroSoft.

[Cindy]

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[JohnathanRGalt]

Doesn't it make you wonder, if maybe Liquid Web itself is somehow involved with Al Qaeda and is enabling them?

Perhaps -- but remember the site is kept up with the explicit knowledge of the FBI/CIA/NSA.

However, Liquid Web is not the biggest enabler of Islamist cyber-terror on the Internet. That honour goes to Everyone's Internet/RackShack of Houston, Texas.

EV1 is now the host of Hamas and Hizb-ut-tahrir.

However, EV1 is also host to numerous other 'hate' websites such as the Klu-Klux-Klan, neo-nazi sites, and white-power skin-head sites (ala stormfront.org).

So, maybe the Feds aren't keeping these sites up after all. Maybe EV1 is keeping them up because someone in the management of EV1/Rackshack likes to host hate.

In America, speech (including hate) is protected by the 1st amendment. Publishing hate is purely a business decision. For EV1 it is more profitable to publish hate.

Of course, it might not be profitable if it were to become common knowledge among their customers that certain ISPs facilitate terror.

[FairOpinion]

"In America, speech (including hate) is protected by the 1st amendment. Publishing hate is purely a business decision. For EV1 it is more profitable to publish hate. "
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Don't forget the profitability of pornography. I was amazed to find out that Yahoo and some other sites make a lot of money from that. When it was found out, they changed some things, but didn't really give it up.

As for hate speech, I think there is a difference between "objectionable" SPEECH, which is indeed protected by the 1st Amendment, as it should be, and conspiracy and call for ACTION to commit terrorism, which Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. are doing.

[Bad~Rodeo]

Let the geeks have at 'em.

Damn dude....I'm pushing 40....and NO Gore didn't invent the Net....LOL~

[JohnathanRGalt]

As for hate speech, I think there is a difference between "objectionable" SPEECH, which is indeed protected by the 1st Amendment, as it should be, and conspiracy and call for ACTION to commit terrorism, which Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. are doing.

Agreed. Now what can we do about it? -- I don't think we can or should let the "hackers have at them". It's fighting illegality with illegality. It's not a permanent solution at the very least. Websites are back up after hacking defacement or a DoS (Denial of Service) attack within hours.

Legislation to change the laws of what's considered protected by the 1st Amendment would be equally slow and ineffective.

Besides, there are already numerous laws against providing support for terror orgs such as Hamas -- and a Texas company continues to provide support for further terror.

[honeygrl]

The article made me curious about what was on their website but I'm afraid it would be one of those "curiosity killed the cat" deals if the FBI tracks down people who go there. Any idea on whether a person could get in trouble just for going to their site?