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U.S. Troops (3rd ID) Reach Downtown Baghdad [No casulties]
World Tribune ^
| April 6, 2003 SGT
| Major General Gene Renuart-CENCOM Chief of Operations
Posted on 04/06/2003 11:46:53 AM PDT by ewing
United States troops have begun moving through downtown Baghdad.
United States Officials said members of the 3rd Infantry Division began driving through the center of the Iraqi capital on Saturday.
They said the unit did not sustain casulties.
'This was an operation conducted by two task forces of the Third Infantry Division,' Major General Eugene Renuart Chief of Operations for Central Command, said.
They had been south of the city and conducted a raid through the city, proceeding North to the Tigris River and continuing out to the West in the direction of the airpoirt.'
Officials said the show of United States troops was meant to demonstrate to the residents of Baghdad that Saddam Hussein had lost control.
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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: baghdad; bearsvspatriots; blowout; custervsindians; dowd; fisk; franks; gameover; marquettevskansas; movingatwill; operationalpause; quagmire; viceisclosing; warlist
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To: ewing
I don't think it's 120,000, but we should have at least 50,000-60,000 there when the 1st Marine division arrives in full (3rd ID (Mech), 1st Marine div. and elements of 101st and 82nd airborne). As to the number of Iraqi troops in the capital, estimates have run from 15-25,000 SRG and assorted fedayeen and RG units that may have escaped into baghdad.
On another thread, I saw a soldier quoted in Iraq (I think he was around Karbala) who was supposedly from the Army's 1st armored division. I had no idea that 1st AD was anywhere near Iraq right now. I thought they were still in Germany.
To: BushMeister
But we still don't know where the 42,000 from the II Marines Expeditionary Force are going to show from Jordan.. (possibly rooting out Saddam's Hometown Tikrit and the North??)
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posted on
04/06/2003 1:02:15 PM PDT
by
ewing
To: ewing
I'll bet they've blown that rail line too.
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posted on
04/06/2003 1:04:12 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
To: ewing
I'd be surprised if we put any major formations into Iraq from a primarily Palestinian country. We have all been wondering where II MEF is.
On a happy note, we have heard that a brigade (4,000+ troops, 70+ tanks) from 4th ID might be ready to cross into Iraq from Kuwait early in the coming week. I'm sure that some of the 3rd ID and the 1st Marine Div. troops would love to be relieved (at least on a rotating basis) in the front lines 10 days or so from now).
To: demlosers
I lost the MSNBC cam also....
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posted on
04/06/2003 1:14:48 PM PDT
by
Dog
("I want my freedom. I don't want food or water. I just want freedom." - an Iraqi man to a US soldier)
To: BushMeister
How large are the units with the little "Xs" above, and how large are those without? The symbols inside the box indicate the nature of the force. The marks outside the box indicate the size of the force.
"xxx" = Corps
"xx" = Division
"x" = Brigade
"iii" = Regiment
Do a google search on "Military Map Symbols" and you'll get a few hits
Link -> Field Manual Including Map Symbols (Caution, 3.4 Mb -- the www.adtdl.army.mil site does permit downloading by chapter)
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posted on
04/06/2003 1:15:19 PM PDT
by
Cboldt
To: BushMeister
I think I read on globalsecurity.org that an armored battalion of 1AD had deployed with 3ID to augment its armored component. This had been done during the initial deployment to Kuwait.
To: BushMeister
A number of folks have answered and given you the bits and pieces. Three other peices of info you or others may find useful:
First, if there is not a symbol above the box (like an "x" or "xx") they did not want to say the size of the unit for some reason, or did not know the size.
Second, a mechanized infantry brigade is not pure mecahnized infantry, nor an armored brigade pure armor. They will each actually contain 2 mechanized infantry battalions and 1 armor battalion, or vice versa.
Third, in the war right now, they have also cross-leveled tank (M1A1) and mechanized infantry (Bradley) companies. Thus you may have seen the report yesterday that said 30 M1A1 tanks and 14 Bradleys went into one section of Baghdad...don't let that confuse you. It was a battalion-size unit with 2 tank companies of 14 each, and one mech infantry company of 14 Bradleys, plus the Tank Battalion Commander and his Operations Officer (S-3) each with a tank. When that happens we no longer say it is a tank battalion or a infantry battalion, but rather call it a "Task Force"...thus the headline at the front of this thread saying 2 Task Forces go into Baghdad. That tells you it is 2 battalions who have switched out/cross-leveled tank and Bradley companies.
We almost always fight as task forces...when I commanded my tank battalion and we deployed I would always give up one of my tank companies to the infantry battalion commander who was in our tank brigade, and he would give me one of his mechanized infantry companies. Infantry and armor help keep each other alive. When that happen we were no longer called tank and mechanized infantry battalions, but rather "Task Forces"...just like the "battalions" going into Baghdad now are called.
Whew...sorry for making that too long! And apologize those in the Army or Marines who already knew all that.
To: ewing
Baghdad Bob says
"U.S. Forces are not in Baghdad...er...wait a minute."
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posted on
04/06/2003 2:08:49 PM PDT
by
Justice
To: ewing
"U.S. Troops (3rd ID) Reach Downtown Baghdad [No casulties]" Should read:
3rd ID Goes Trolling In Baghdad Again
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posted on
04/06/2003 2:19:02 PM PDT
by
blam
To: Proud Legions
Thanks for that excellent reply. One can only learn so much from printed material. Someone who has real-life experience can explain things so much more clearly.
To: BushMeister
While some may say that loose lips sink ships, I'll inform you of the following...
The "x" above a unit designator would indicate something larger than a breadbox...
the infowarrior
To: BushMeister
Actually, I misspoke..it's 47,000 Marines from II Expeditionary Force
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posted on
04/06/2003 2:37:56 PM PDT
by
ewing
To: ewing
All your Baghdad are belong to US.
To: Gumption; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; sakka; MadIvan; ..
To: r135rr
"wonder what Bagdad Bob's beret would bring on ebay?" Probably a lot less than Monica's
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posted on
04/06/2003 3:33:34 PM PDT
by
spokeshave
( against dead wood (albore) Frogs & Rats)
To: txradioguy
Kevin Bacon was in that movie??
To: xkaydet65
"I think I read on globalsecurity.org that an armored battalion of 1AD had deployed with 3ID to augment its armored component. This had been done during the initial deployment to Kuwait."
Golbal Security is right. It's the 1AD's 3rd Brigade that's over there. It's normally based at Ft. Riley, Kansas.
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posted on
04/06/2003 3:55:02 PM PDT
by
txradioguy
(HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
To: TenthAmendmentChampion
"Kevin Bacon was in that movie??"
Yeah he was a cadet in the ROTC program.
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posted on
04/06/2003 4:09:26 PM PDT
by
txradioguy
(HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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posted on
04/06/2003 6:15:33 PM PDT
by
IMRight
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