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BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary
FR ^ | 03/23/00 | The Wanderer

Posted on 04/06/2003 9:34:52 AM PDT by Liz

Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky Courtesy of The Wanderer. From a FR post dated 03/23/00.

Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).

Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.” He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away.”

Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: “my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how to use it.” This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: “...[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes.”

Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: “Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America’s white middle class. That is where the power is.”

Alinsky is interested in the middle class solely for its usefulness: “Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority.”

To accomplish this, Alinsky writes that the organizer must “begin to dissect and examine that way of life [the middle class lifestyle] ... He will know that ‘square’ is no longer to be dismissed as such -- instead his own approach must be ‘square’ enough to get the action started.”

Rules for Radicals defends belief that the end justifies the means: “to say that corrupt the ends,” writes Alinsky, “is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:

“The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe’s ‘conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action’; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

“The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment.” Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, “... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi’s. Those who opposed the Nazi’s conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ....” Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. “...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory.”

“The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means.”

“There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father.”

Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”

The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states “that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means.”

Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.

“The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”

“Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.”

“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

“The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself.”

“In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt.”

“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

One of the criteria for picking the target is the target’s vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract.”

“The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate “conscious-raising” (Ed note: a tactic used by feminists) of people through the technique of “popular education.” Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer’s systemic solutions to address those grievances. “Through the People’s Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process.”

Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power-collecting: “The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a ‘great creator’, to play God.” Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky’s tactics probably better than anyone else.


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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
re posts 29/30 - couldn't have said it better myself. Jesus is the trump card they can never beat.
41 posted on 04/08/2003 7:10:55 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Liz
Looks like greed gets a lot of play across the faiths.

BTW, thanks for revisiting Dr Raoul's Alinsky quote in post 1. It's revealing to say the least. Alinsky admitted to fundamental confusion between what constitutes history and what constitutes mythology. And yet his belief in "historical necessity" was well-known. Too bad he's not alive to explain how he can believe in "historical necessity" when, by his own admission, he doesn't even know how to reliably distinguish history from myth.

Then he goes on to confuse the pain of defeat and imprisonment in hell with the winning of a kingdom.

42 posted on 04/08/2003 7:26:58 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Liz
Threw my brother off of his computer to Freep. ( I can quit anytime I want...)

Have you ever noticed that the left refers to the "science" of revolution or communism? Or the "inevibility" of socialism? This doesnt just smack of the Clintons, but the left in general. How did this country ever survive them? God, I really hate them!

43 posted on 04/08/2003 7:32:57 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Saul Alinsky's strategies are clearly at work in Florida.

No Sh*T! There is a chapter in Rules for Radicals that details how to steal an election.

It was an exact blueprint of what happened in Florida.

1 Question the validity of the vote - done by pre-arranged phone banks in St Louis calling democratic voters to ask if they had mistakenly voted for Buchanan

2 demand a recount.

3 try and forment a rabble on the streets - Remember Jesse Jackson's (failed) attempts at that?

4 Litigate

5 Obfuscate, keep counting..

If you read the book you will be amazed at how closely the plan was followed..

44 posted on 04/09/2003 12:27:55 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; ntnychik
I read Hillary's thesis on a FreeRepublic post during the Monica/Impeachment times. Anything in Whitewater archives?

I missed your query earlier... been a little distracted, my Mom passed away a couple of weeks ago and there's been a lot of real-world running around to do.

I actually don't have a direct link to that article, altho I have read it here recently... I am certain I linked in the Dark Underbelly series, but you would have to start at the end and scroll back to locate it.

DUBOB 11-- even *more* tales from the Dark Underbelly of the Beast.....

45 posted on 04/09/2003 2:45:32 AM PDT by backhoe (A nuke for every Kook ( NK, Iraq, Iran, Pak, India... )- what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: cardinal4
.......(I can quit anytime I want...)........

Sure you can.........

Hate the Clintons, you say? Welcome to the club. Glad to have you aboard.
America survived the Clintons, but just barely, due to the wit and wisdom of
legions of on-the-ball Clinton haters.

The others - those who voted for these two connivers - are the dumbest,
the most moronic, the cheeziest...................Mere words do not suffice.
They ought to be charged with fraud.

46 posted on 04/09/2003 5:41:53 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Bonaparte
Nice take on Alinsky. He's thankfully gone but like all vacuous left-theorists, he's left us with the mess to clean up,
and with the conniving Clintons.
47 posted on 04/09/2003 5:45:23 AM PDT by Liz
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To: PhilDragoo
Wish I had the time to micro-manage your post. Let's just say that corruption reeks out of every pore of the conniving Clintons. Their corruption is so endemic it is tantamount to sedition.

These two calculated lowlifes never had an unscripted moment in their entire lives. Every manipulative move they make is solely to enhance their greed for power and money. Unfortunately for our nation, the Clintons cunning instincts have served them well.

48 posted on 04/09/2003 5:59:49 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
Liz, I have been told my hatred for the Arkansas swindlers is unhealthy. My distrust of the reptilian slime began when Clinton got his haircut at LAX. When the pres is at the airport, nothing moves. Thats why they try to hustle them away ASAP. Not Clinton. Do you know how many planes diverted that day, while the chief bottom feeder got a 250 dollar haircut, AT MY EXPENSE??
To see him go around and blame America at 100,000 a pop, to sign the US up for the ICC, and Kyoto, to allow his pigwife to handle classified material, when she didnt even have a job, Travelgate........I could on and on, but it will just give me heartburn. How can someone who hates America so much, get elected?
49 posted on 04/09/2003 8:35:10 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: backhoe
Sorry to hear that. Keep your chin up!!!
50 posted on 04/09/2003 9:00:59 AM PDT by Ga Rob (Enviro wackos are Communists in Birkenstocks!!!)
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To: Ga Rob
I thank you for your kind words- I am really all right; certainly better than the days leading up to Mom's death. She had a good, full 84 years, but it had become time to pass on to whatever lies on the other side of death, and her passing was a mercy.
51 posted on 04/09/2003 9:10:58 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
So glad to hear that....again keep your chin up. We can all only hope for 84 years. Again keep your chin up!!
52 posted on 04/09/2003 9:57:14 AM PDT by Ga Rob (Only the Useful Idiots are left...how sad.......)
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To: cardinal4
I have been told my hatred for the Arkansas swindlers is unhealthy...

Your response should be, " And your idiotic worship of the
conniving Clintons is incomprehensible to sane people."

How did they get elected? Easy. Third party candidate Perot siphoned off 14% of the
vote from Bush pere, and the second time around, Dole was the worst candidate ever.
Clinton was not a majority-elected candidate and that scumbag knows it.

53 posted on 04/09/2003 10:10:33 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
I had this saved in my WordFile from a few months ago. There are 12 of them, but I'll list just the first three as I'm at work.
Some tips from Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".
Some of these rules are ruthless, but they work. Here are the rules to be aware of:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
It's rather easy to see Saul Alinskys influence on her entire life.She's truly a wretched human.
54 posted on 04/09/2003 10:49:29 AM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: Ga Rob
Again, I thank you.
55 posted on 04/09/2003 11:00:04 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Liz
Hillary (I still can't believe that the morons on NYS voted her in) said today in a radio interview that she cannot believe how horrible the federal budget is andhow it shortchanges the people in NYS and its schools. She further said that when she sees the dilapidated schools in NYS she does not understand how children in Iraq will get better schools than children in NYS and how Americans should be angry about that.

IS there any thinking American who does not realize now what a despicable creature she is...

56 posted on 04/11/2003 6:32:00 PM PDT by eleni121
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A "This is for anyone who missed this article" BUMP
57 posted on 08/29/2003 1:09:34 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug, Holier - Than - Thou Socialist)
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To: Liz
If you notice, many of the leftist articles and letters to the editor are framed around these rules for radicals. Whenever I write a letter to the paper, I always mentionthe unsuccessful attempt by the writer to follow these rule of the famous socialist, Saul Alinsky, then I quote the rule. The rule about making Christians live up to their own book of rules is a favorite with the left.

For instance, one of the local professors wrote an article complaining about flag bunting that was decorating the downtown area near the university and tried to say that honoring the flag was in violation of the commandment, thou shalt have no other Gods before me. I said that the pledge said under God, not before God, so the author's point was a non-sequitur.
58 posted on 08/29/2003 1:18:15 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Nice work....that's telling 'em. Keep at it.
59 posted on 08/29/2003 1:37:45 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
bump for later reading
60 posted on 12/20/2003 8:55:04 PM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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