Quagmire Recalled: [Iraq, oops,] Afghanistan as Vietnam

New York Times ^ | Wednesday, October 31, 2001 | By R. W. APPLE Jr.

[dirtboy]

I think the friggin mainstream media could save a ton of money by just pretending that a dust storm is raging in Iraq, say, for three weeks and on TV show a hazy orange screen with an outline that looks somewhat like Ted Koppel (can't mistake those ears even in a raging sandstorm). They should then pull out all their pundits and then dust off their old Afghanistan column (substituting Baghdad for Kabul and Kurds for Northern Alliance, of course, for accuracy's sake) and then simply those columns. They would sound exactly the same as the crap they are now running.

[beaversmom]

30 October, 2001

However, it increasingly appears that the US campaign is not going to plan. From the initial reports that US military action was rapidly achieving its aims, the mood of the US military has swung to fearing that they are making too little progress by only bombing. Reports have surfaced that this first ground raid did not go as planned. The extremely pro-war London Daily Telegraph described it as a "cosmetic" raid "designed to provide a show of something happening on the ground", but then reported that the US troops "were stunned by the resistance they met and had to get out sooner than expected, Pentagon sources said. ‘The raid was a success from the intelligence point of view … But our men were surprised by the amount of resistance they ran into. The speed with which the Taliban launched a counter-attack came as a bit of a shock. They fought like maniacs, we didn’t expect that’."

http://www.worldsocialist-cwi.org/index2.html?/eng/2001/1030b.html

Of course, this is from some socialist/communist site, but it's the same type of propanganda we are hearing about with this war--just substitute Taliban with Iraqis and you wouldn't know any difference.

[Yankee]

Wait, wasn't Greneda I supposed to be another Viet Nam? Or was it Panama or GW I. Every American military engagement since 1975 has been compared to Viet Nam so I get confused as to which conflict the media's currently talking about.

Every U.S. military endeavor is another Viet Nam to these aging flower-child assholes.

Just like any gathering of three or more lousy garage bands is another Woodstock.

The prism through which they view everything was formed roughly in the period from 1967-1973, or at least the part they remember between drug episodes.

[Yankee]

BTW: Nowadays, a quagmire is what ole' Johnnie Apple finds in his Depends every morning.

[JohnHuang2]

ROFLOL!!

[JohnHuang2]

#24 gets my 'Quote-of-the-day' nomination :)

[JohnHuang2]

lol

[RobFromGa]

Afghanistan it took 3 weeks to start the talk of Quagmire.

Iraq, a much more capable military force, and six days in we've already reached the Q point. The only way to speed it up further is to indiscriminately kill civilians and soldiers alike. Being "nice" takes more time.

Come on media ahores, go back inside the warm coffee shop and quit the whining, the menfolk are outside fixing the flat tire... (paraphrasing Ann Coulter)

[JoeSchem]

Wait, wasn't Greneda I supposed to be another Viet Nam?

Yes, and the stock market crash of 1987 was supposed to be the start of another Great Depression. And by the year 2000, according to radical environmentalists of the 1960s, all the fish were supposed to be dead.

Do these people ever have to answer for the stupid things they've said in the past?

[Captain Kirk]

Afghanistan isn't a quagmire for a simple reason. The U.S. has wisely given up on the pipe dream of a united and democratic Afghanistan. Karzai is basically mayor of Kabul and that appears to fine with us.

[JohnHuang2]

Well said, bro.

[Radix]

I do not read the NY Times except for some of the links that I find here and on Drudge.

I do sometimes read the Boston Globe (a subsidiary of the NYT.)

The bias and BS from these Media oulets is unforgivable.

There will I believe, be a backlash.

[Maedhros]

bump

[RJayneJ]

Thanks for the nomination! Have you run across anything on McGaffrey(sp?) the former Drug Tsar, on open criticism of Gen. Franks strategy? I think he is doing analysis on MSNBC. I don't know if I heard that he was bad-mouthing the war plan or if I dreamed it.};^D)

[blackie]

Apphole didn't have a clue then and most of the left-wing doesn't have clue today!

Let's Roll!

[Kay Soze]

Recal that the leftist press was so desperate in its attempt to paint "quagmire" that it even enlisted the help of former Soviet General Lebed to bolster their points.

Someone pls show me where a US Offical says "cakewalk" with respect to taking out Saddam.

[f.Christian]

To: ravinson

I knew I would hit---dredge up the mother lode out there...

FOREVER DUMB

(parody of "Forever Young")

May God bless and keep my lawyers,
May my bitch not piss-off Jews,
May y'all do it to each other,
And let the government do it to you.
May ol' Bill still matter to the stars
And rise above his scum,
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

May ya’ cooperate with leeches,
May you grow up to be fools,
May the knowledge of my half-truths,
Just block the light around you too.
May y’all ignore outrages,
And let my guys take all your guns,
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

May old "Handsome" always be sleazy,
May the meek always vote left,
May I mask equivocations,
When the winds of change may shift.
May my herd always be loyal,
May my throngs always be numb,
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

thanks!


12 posted on 12/17/2001 3:02 PM PST by f.Christian